Did Anakin escape death on his own, or did Sidious actually keep him from dying through the Force?

It goes back to what I said before. Anakin?s hate, anger for Obi-Wan and the Jedi, and his thirst for revenge kept him alive. No Sith trick was involved in his survival.

Anakin was grievously wounded in the fight. His burning anger kept him alive, and he was forever scarred not only by his wounds but also by betrayal. ? OS Databank

 

I think he killed padme keeping himself alive


and why he is surprised and a little bit lets say angry when he is told about padme's dead ?? if he had killed her to keep himself alive he would now she is dead,also padme dies a lot after anakin is burned in mustafar before the emperor's arrival. she dies about when palps arrives in coruscant if my memory doesnt fail.

 

Two words:

Medical capsule.

 

I think what he was saying was that Anakin indirectly killed Padmé. Some believe (myself included) that Anakin and Padmé shared some sort of symbiosis, and as Anakin fully became Vader, Padmé lost more and more of her life, until at least, she could no longer live. Yes, there was still good in Vader, but not enough to sustain Padmé's life through their symbiosis.

 

i think that this simbiosis thing its just for those who didnt like how padme died,i admitt its weird that a character like that dies like that but u forget that when it came to anakin all her strenght disapeared,whenever they were togheter she became emotionaly a lot weaker that normal.

its not that i love how she dies but i prefer this to the stupid idea of anakin choking her to death.

 

Many have asked why would Sidious keep Vader/Anakin after he has been severely burned, and only a shell of his former self?

But as I said before, as Sidious arrives and see Anakin still trying to pull himself up, holding on and still full of rage through the dark side, he seems amazed that Anakin is still alive.

I think that Sidious witnesses that Anakin has "cheated death" through the dark side, or so it seems.

Yes, Anakin needed medical attention for his broken and burned, of which Sidious provided; however through the dark side Anakin will himself to live, and thus avoided what should have been certain death.

Despite Anakin's injuries, Sidious realized that though he was not near what he could be; however Vader still possessed great power through his anger that would benefit him greatly.

Darth Sin!

 

The symbiosis thing could explain why Jedi are not allowed to marry. It could be damaging to both Jedi and spouse.

 

I like how she died. I just think it adds another layer of depth to the death.

I don't think this happens with all Jedi. I think it happened with Anakin and Padme because Anakin was the Chosen One, and it was the will of the Force that they ended up together. It was Padme's destiny to be a contributing factor in Anakin's descent into darkness, but also to be a contributing factor in his return to the light (in the form of the children).

 

I'm having a bit of trouble in regards to reference to "the force wants" type of statements
which presume the force as almost being a character. the prophecy, which is open
to interpretation and mis-interpretation, seems to declare anakin as the chosen one.
this seems to be a natural culmination of events rather than some mystical identity
that desires certain outcomes. what happens is a matter of decisions made by
pivotal characters.

 

I think that Sidious witnesses that Anakin has "cheated death" through the dark side, or so it seems.


I dont know about that. Sids didnt see Anakin burst into flames or how he sustained his other injuries. He just found him there without any idea what had transpired.

 

It didn't take a great amount of logic to figure out what had happened, though.

 

Sidious sees a burnt up guy, sand, and lava. I think Sidious put the pieces together.

 

Quoted for emphasis. The prophecy is a prediction of what will happen (and is ultimately correct), but it was just going to naturally occur and it didn't "intervene" to keep Anakin alive or prevent Yoda from beating Sidious.

I think it's clear that it's technology and the evil machinations of a Sith Lord that preserve Anakin's life. Anakin burned up on the sands of Mustafar just the same as anyone would, and the only reason he survived was because Sidious brought him immediate attention. Sidious is more relieved that Anakin is alive than amazed, and knows that Anakin WILL die if someone doesn't bring the medical capsule "immediately."

Why even wear the Darth Vader suit at all if it's "Dark Side Magic" keeping him alive?

 

The simbiosys of Padme and Anakin is pretty clearly portrayed, visually, in RoTS. It is a lot like Luke and Leia, and what they experienced on Cloud City, but stronger. That is why we have the "staring across the city" scene in RoTS while the temple is burning.

Also, juxtaposition of Padme's death and Vader's birth is more than just dramatic coincidence.

 

Let me reiterate that I am not denying that yes Sidious provides the medical attention and the suit that Anakin needs for his broken body; however given the extent of Anakin's injuries, he should have died.

But it was no doubt him being totally consumed by the power of the dark side that kept him alive until Sidious arrived, but not only that, the dark side gave Anakin a determination that caused him to will himself to live, and this was clear as he still was still trying crawl his way up despite his inability physically.

Yes, the suit kept his body from dying, but the dark side kept his body until he could receive medical care.

Darth Sin!

 

Let me begin by saying I HATE MIDICHLORIANS!

With that out of the way, I think they should've been shown to have played a role in Anakin's survival. At least that way, there would have been some sort of validation for them ever being brought up in the first place. Just a quick line by Sidious like "The midichlorians made you strong with the force. Only you Lord Vader could survive this.
And now the power of the Dark Side has made you invinceable." Or some crap like that.

VFD

P.S. - I think Anakin survived on his own.

 

I think that Anakin survived on his own, long enough for Sidious to get him stablized for the trip back to Courscant.

 

Palpatine used the force to put him to sleep, so he no longer felt the pain from losing his legs and burning.

Alot like those guys from vietnam that got messed up like that and were given shots and morphine. Palpatine calmed him down, so he could work with him and revive him, but he was still in lots of pain when he woke up at the table. I cant believe they didnt give him pain killers cause he was screaming like a biatch!

 

>>>>According to the Insider, all that occurred in that scene was the one and only moment in the entire saga where Sidious expressed genuine compassion for another living being.

Indeed, Sape. Which I find VERY interesting.

I have had a discussion on this subject with one of my friends in my thread about Anakin's potential redemption. His suggestion was that it couldn't have been the Will of the Force that the Chosen One survive, because it was actually the dark side of the Force - specifically Sidious' intervention - which prevented Anakin from dying, that the very thing that was pulling the Force out of balance, was the thing that saved him.

My contention is that it is in fact the only moment of compassion that we EVER see from the Dark Lord, and that compassion has nothing to do with the dark side, and everything to do with the TRUE power of the Force.

So in that moment, whilst it is Anakin's hate that keeps him alive long enough for his master to arrive, it is the Will of the Force acting through Sidious' intervention.


It wasn't time for the Chosen One to perish, just yet.



Just to say, Sin, it's great to have you back posting regularly again.
Your topics and posts are always filled with thought.

Which is always welcome round these parts.


-JR

 

If Anakin was keeping himself alive through the force after the fire, why does he need the suit? Arms and legs would be the only reason. Just a thought.

 

And a breathing mask creating an apparatus for survival, because he would die without it.

It's Anakin's "own black will" that allows him to survive. By will, I mean it in very human terms. Anakin has the will to survive that prevails over the pain he is suffering. Were he using the Force in this moment, Lucas would have drawn attention to it, but as it was, he was rolling around on the ground in his weakest moment burning to a crisp. There's no visual indication that he was using the Force.

In fact, Anakin COULDN'T use the Force in this moment. I think that's the point. He could use it no more than Dooku could after Anakin chopped off his arms. Otherwise, he'd be able to use it to pull himself off of that rock. Levitate himself off the ground, pull Obi-Wan back towards him, something like that.

 

I do agree that Anakin is not "using the Force" per se at that moment; however you cannot overlook the fact that his eyes remain yellow even as he is still clinging to life.

There have been many discussions about the Sith yellow eyes on this board, and pretty much all agree that the yellow eyes indicate extreme anger by the user of the dark side, and also indicates a certain level of the power of the dark side in that individual.

I do believe that is the power of the dark side and that Anakin is fully consumed by it that keeps Anakin alive until he can receive medical attention.

If you notice, when the helmet is being placed on him, his eyes are no longer yellow, and he has calmed down.

the main point I am getting at here is that I believe if it were not for Anakin being totally consumed by the dark side when he catches on fire and thereafter, I do not think he would have survived before Sidious arrived.

So from a "certain point of view", I believe the power of the dark side enabled Anakin to "cheat" what should have been certain death.

As someone said previously, the dark side's powers had consumed him so much, that it kept his body alive until he could receive medical help.

Anakin had received his new powers from the use of the dark side, and remember it was his desire to be able to keep people from dying. How interesting that it would not be Padme he would keep from dying, but rather himself.

The dark side kept him from dying, it did not enable him to sustain his life indefinitely or heal him. It was enough to keep him from death, until he got the medical help he needed from Sidious.

It is the life support suit that sustained his life.


Darth Sin!

 

I think, I got it. The secret that sidious kept from Anakin. the secret of how to cheat death. and, the best part is...Anakin already has the gift, he only does not know how to handle it.

the secret of cheating death, according to Sidious is...the gift of FORESIGHT.

He forsaw that Anakin would get hurt by Obi Wan, so he rushed to Mustafar, to stop Anakin from dying. that's the reason why he putt his hand on Anakin's forehead. he's glad to see his apprentice alive.

the Quote of Sidious; "To cheat death, is a path which only one achived in", or something like that. Could he be refering to Qui Gon Jinn here. that's why he said. "but, if we work together, I'm sure that we can discover the secret". the secret of Qui Gon Jinn. a secret that no Sith can ever discover.

but, like he said, the power to stop people from dying. you can, if you're able to forsee it...like sidious did with Anakin.


what do you think?

 

I think Anakin's dark will to live, through being totally engulfed in the dark side kept him alive, but as someone mentioned, was not enough to sustain him indefinately. He had the will, through hate, anger, aggression to live, but how long would that last. If Palps hadn't come to the rescue, gotten him the medical attention, etc. Anakin would have died, eventually. His will and hate, etc. would have only lasted so long. If there was no rescue, death would have been the outcome eventually.

 

Anakin survived because the force is stong in him.