Did Darth Plagueis create Anakin Skywalker?

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Plagueis: "We shall create a chosen one who will usher in a golden age of the Sith."

Sidious: "Excellent!"

Plagueis: "And we shall sell him to slave traders."

Sidious: "Exc- erm, hold on..."

Plagueis: "And he will work in a junk shop, and we will ensure that the Jedi will find him there by letting the Trade Federation try to blow the Queen of Naboo's ship out of the sky..."

Sidious: "Are you sure th-"

Plagueis: "...they are a lousy shot and the craft is sure to need hyperdrive repairs and is sure to set down on Tatooine..."

Sidious: "But!"

Plagueis: "...and Watto's shop will be the only one dealing in Nubian parts - I will see to it - and Anakin will definitely be working that day, he won't have pulled a sickie."

Sidious: "..."

Plagueis: "And the Jedi that happens to be with the Queen will be the one Jedi who still believes all of that Prophecy crap, and he will definitely bump into Anakin; recognise his potential; take him back to Coruscant and be allowed to train him as a Jedi."

Sidious: "You can't possib-"

Plagueis: "Oh, and the slave traders will put a bomb in his head, so there is a very real possibility he might explode at any time."

Sidious: (thinks to himself) *Just you wait 'till you go to sleep tonight, you stupid b*****d...*[/b][/i][/blockquote]
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some of the best i've seen on this site ever....makes me strive for more comedic excellence....and it proves this theory is false in the process

 

i think an excellent scene for ROTS would have been if Anakin Skywalker fought Sidious, then Sidious says to him "Your mother never did tell you who your father was. Anakin i am your father."
Then Anakin says "No, thats impossible."
Sidious: "Join me and we can rule the galaxy father and son."
Anakin: "I'll never join you."
Sidious: "Ahh, you will, go on, go on, go on, go on..."
Anakin: "Okay then."
Sidious: "Rise Lord Vader."

 

Ok so now I look at this as the Sith having their own prophecy so to speak, waiting for the "One with a high Midichlorian count" to show up someday and help kill all the jedi. >Then we have the Jedi with their prophesy stating one day a chosen one will come and bring balance to the force. Little did they know , sure enough one comes along and his job is to wipe out the jedi who are serving a corrupt gov't, and then in the end bring balance by destroying the emperor. You are meant to wonder which one is true until ep.IV when he finally kills the Emperor. This means the Sith never really knew what they were getting into messing with the force.

 

You know whosthebossk.....I never thought of it that way and that makes ALOT of sense.

So if I understand what your saying is that the "Legend of Plageuis The Wise" was basically the Sith Version of the Jedi's "The one who will bring balance to the force" prophecy?

If thats true, then the WHOLE conversation scene at the opera would have been Palpatine's way of relaying this to Anakin, without coming right out and saying it.

That way when he said Anakin was "fulfilling his destiny" later it was true, from Palpatines point of view..interesting theory.

 

The thing about "keep people from dying". How do you do that? I mean, if someone gets shot in the head, how do you keep that person from dying, super-CPR? Or if someone has cancer, and is about to die from that, do the Sith just say some mumbo-jumbo and the cancer goes into remission? Or let's say Commander Cody is dying from grief, because he killed Obi-Wan, does a Sith Lord go to him and purge his soul?

How would a Sith Lord keep someone from dying?

Let's say in the case of the guy who had his brains blown out...Sideous would stimulate the midi-chlorians to give a spark of life. But the guy still has 20% of his brains on the floor. 20% of the guys memories are on the floor. Even if the brain regrew, what that 20% is on the floor that are the memories arn't going to regrow.

So what Sideous really doing, if he keeps people from dying? Is he creating a zombie or a ghoul? I mean, that might be interresting, that what he doesn't prevent death, but brings back from the dead a zombie. Anakin would still see Padme die but she comes back to life, not herself.

This reminds me of people who advertise, "pay no taxes! Send money to find out how!" And the chump sends money, gets a kit, is told to write something on his 1040 that is bunk, and he still gets audited and pays taxes. I mean, there are bunk artist who write to African-American families saying that there is a slavery reparation clause they can use on their income tax. they get a form, but the form is really for lose of income for businesses (can't remember he exact name). All they did was fill out the wrong form, since there is no such thing as slavery reparation. Some bunk artist took advantage of some trusting people who really would have needed the money.

 

who else created him? think bout that

 

No! What I would like to know is why everyone thinks he does? Is there something, somewhere, that supports this or is it just a random theory?

Tinkky

 

Yes he did, for this simple but long explanation:

If you remember the scene in Episode III, when Palpatine and Anakin are talking during the "water bubbles orchestra" at the Galaxy Opera House, Palpatine tells the story of Darth Plagueis. He explains how Plagueis could control the midichloriens in the blood and create life.He could also stop people from dying. We are also told that he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and was killed in his sleep.
We are led to believe that Palpatine was his apprentice. And if that is true, we learn something about Anakin's birth: when Qui-Gonn asks Shmi Skywalker who was Anakin's father, she answers that there is none. So, if Plagueis was alive about 20 years ago, he possibly could have gone to Tatoine to create his new apprentice, and created Anakin. And when Palpatine knew of this, he elaborated a plan to turn Anakin after he killed his master.
The identity of Plagueis is no secret: in Episode II, when Obi-Wan arrives at the cloner planet of Kamino, he is told about Master Jedi Sipho Dias who ordered the creation of this army, without the consent of the coucil.
So, to resume, I blelieve that Master Sipho Dias became a Sith apprentice known as Darth Plagueis, he took a new apprentice, Darth Sidious (a.k.a Palpatine) and went to Tatoine to try his powers of life creation to create the most powerful Jedi ever: Anakin Skywalker. He probably already had the plan to take over the Republic by starting a war between clones and droids and when the clones won, kill all the Jedi with his new puppet, Anakin and create an Empire. But he was killed by his Apprentice, who carried out the plan nontheless.
So I believe Anakin realized he was a puppet created by Plagueis during this conversation, but beeing confused by the fear of Padme's death, he told himself that his destiny was already written out for him, so the least he could do was try to save Padme.That is why, when Mace Windu is killed, Anakin realizes that "what he has done???" was meant to be and falls so easily to the dark side.

 

The line about Palpatine being taught everything Plagueis knew should be the indicator that Palps would have been the one to influence the midichlorians to create Anakin. Also it doesn't seem like it could have been Plagueis since that would imply that only nine years before TPM, Palpatine was still the Sith apprentice and Plagueis the Sith Master, and that Darth Maul was the apprentice for less than nine years before TPM, and that doesn't seem to mesh with Palps taking in and teaching Darth Maul the Sith arts from a very early age. Also Palpatine refers to it as the legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise, which would suggest all that happened long before Anakin was born.

 

Plagueis' death pre dates Anakin skywalkers existence therefore there is no possible way he could have created Anakin.

Nobody created Anakin. Anakin was concieved by the midi chlorians plain and simple. That is the story according to George Lucas. This is not even an issue.

 

Anakin was concieved by the midi chlorians plain and simple
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This still works with the sith manipulating the midis to create the ultimate weapon. Its still the FORCE creating Anakin.

Shmi was sold into slavery, by whom or why is never said.

Besides, Lucas HAD Anakins origin explained PERFECTLY in TPM, but decided to OPEN IT UP ABIT, and go into his origin further for a reason.

Lucas said its up to the audiance, but the sheer fact that he included it NOW, makes me wonder.

In the original drafts of ROTS, Palps DID create Anakin, and admitted as much to him.

Instead of coming out and saying it, Lucas has left it a split issue for both parties.

 

I always wanted Palps to be Anakins creator. I liked that theory way before there ever was a ROTS script. And if it's up to me then yes Palps is his daddy lol.

 

Besides, Lucas HAD Anakins origin explained PERFECTLY in TPM, but decided to OPEN IT UP ABIT, and go into his origin further for a reason.

Lucas said its up to the audiance, but the sheer fact that he included it NOW, makes me wonder.



I imagine GL got sick of people asking, "no, really, who is Anakin's father?" I guess he was burned out that no one would take it as a fact that Anakin has no father. So he decided to mess with our minds.

 

I personally dont think Plaguis created Anakin. Anakin was a prophecy. I'm going to look at as a prophecy of the force and not the Jedi or the Sith. Palpatine was aware of this prophecy of-course and watched his career with great interest. And then as time went on and Anakin became an aspiring Padawan; and Palpatine probably sensed the anger and all the other paths to the darkside within Anakin. Palpatine was very clever.

The rest is history.

 

Think about it this way - What was the point of having Sidious say that line about Plageus creating life? What purpose did it serve? It served NO PURPOSE other than educating the audience by trying up a loose end from TPM. So now we know who Anakin's Dad was, and what happened to him. I really didn't NEED to know that, or care, but whatever.

Also, Palpatine used Anakin's feelings for Padme, his desire to save her, to turn him. It was the knowledge to save people from dying, NOT to create life, that played a role in Anakin's turn.

VFD

 

Right. Palpatine was telling Anakin everything he needed to here. So that the only way he could save Padme and their baby was to learn the ways of the darkside. Palptine never says who his master was. It certainly wasnt Sifo-dyas. Plaguis might have had the power to create. But if he existed 50, 100 or 1000 years before ROTS I dont think he could have created Anakin.

 

no he didnt. the force created anakin.

 

"If you remember the scene in Episode III, when Palpatine and Anakin are talking during the "water bubbles orchestra" at the Galaxy Opera House, Palpatine tells the story of Darth Plagueis. He explains how Plagueis could control the midichloriens in the blood and create life.He could also stop people from dying. We are also told that he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and was killed in his sleep.
We are led to believe that Palpatine was his apprentice. And if that is true, we learn something about Anakin's birth: when Qui-Gonn asks Shmi Skywalker who was Anakin's father, she answers that there is none. So, if Plagueis was alive about 20 years ago, he possibly could have gone to Tatoine to create his new apprentice, and created Anakin. And when Palpatine knew of this, he elaborated a plan to turn Anakin after he killed his master.
The identity of Plagueis is no secret: in Episode II, when Obi-Wan arrives at the cloner planet of Kamino, he is told about Master Jedi Sipho Dias who ordered the creation of this army, without the consent of the coucil.
So, to resume, I blelieve that Master Sipho Dias became a Sith apprentice known as Darth Plagueis, he took a new apprentice, Darth Sidious (a.k.a Palpatine) and went to Tatoine to try his powers of life creation to create the most powerful Jedi ever: Anakin Skywalker. He probably already had the plan to take over the Republic by starting a war between clones and droids and when the clones won, kill all the Jedi with his new puppet, Anakin and create an Empire. But he was killed by his Apprentice, who carried out the plan nontheless.
So I believe Anakin realized he was a puppet created by Plagueis during this conversation, but beeing confused by the fear of Padme's death, he told himself that his destiny was already written out for him, so the least he could do was try to save Padme.That is why, when Mace Windu is killed, Anakin realizes that "what he has done???" was meant to be and falls so easily to the dark side."

I totally agree with Superman_Jedi. They have hit the mark dead centre. The last part can even be backed up as if you can recall, Palpatine says to Anakin "it is your destiny". He was doomed from the beginning, he never had a choice, he was always destined to go to the dark side. The only good he ever had in him was from that of his mother.

 

your timing is a little off on your theories. here are some things that are certain:

1- Sids raised Maul from birth to be a Sith Apprentice. Therefore, Plageus couldn't be around, or the rule of 2 would be broken.

2- Sifo Dyas died 10 years before AOTC.

Something doesn't line up. Anakin's not that old, and if Plageus is a "Sith legend," it has to be at least a little bit dated, right?

 

I took away the idea of Plagueis as a "Sith legend" as a sort of framing device used by Palpatine. Palpatine didn't want to directly talk about his master, as he wasn't ready to come out to Anakin as a Sith yet, but still wanted to convey the relevant information; making Plagueis a "legend" was an effective way of handling this problem, and I wouldn't place too much importance on the word in terms of dating and the like.

-Paul

 

Its possible... if there was a "maybe" option, I would have used it, however I went with "yes" - because it had less votes

 

No way. There's one of two options.

1) Palpatine was full of crap, and Plageus never existed. It was just a ploy to make Anakin think if he went to the Dark Side he could save Padme. Manipulating Anakin just like he was when he let Windu "beat" him.

2) Plageus did exist. But if he did, and he was that powerful, it would have had to have been long ago. No way he lived recently, or else he woulda made a grab for power...

Anakin was made by the Force to bring balance. Now everyone keeps saying "how'd he bring balance if he killed all the Jedi". Well, if he hadn't gone to the Dark Side he never would have been close to the Emperor and killed him in Return of the Jedi which is when he brought balance to the force. Just took a little longer than they thought. If Anakin had not have turned to the Dark Side, the Emperor would have never been defeated. Unless you count the Death Star blowing up.

 

"Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force."
--Qui-Gon Jinn

"The midi-chlorians have brought Anakin into being as 'the Chosen One' who brings balance to the universe."
--George Lucas

 

no it wasnt darth plagueis, because that was many years ago during the sith war. if any sith did create anakin using the midiclorians it had to be darth sidious. thats why he cares so much for him. it was his creation.

 

I voted 'no', but I think Lucas did throw it that line about Plagueis creating life as a subtle hint at a possibility. Interesting.