Did Darth Plagueis create Anakin Skywalker?

We can't know from the information we've been given whether or not Plagueis did this.

My take is this - Sidious may well believe that Plagueis had a role in the creation of Anakin. That doesn't mean Sidious is right. Of course, Sidious was lying to Anakin about knowing a way to stop death, and that Plagueis taught him everything he knew.

But we're relying on a number of assumptions. We're assuming that Plagueis was Sidious' master and that Sidious killed him. If this is true we need to know why. Not the simple answer that Sidious wanted power. We know that. But why would Sidious kill Plagueis if Plagueis knew the answer to cheating death? Sidious would only kill Plagueis if Sidious had been taught that trick, right? Unless Plagueis lied to Sidious about the technique. Or if Plagueis didn't really know the technique.

The simplest answer is, as others pointed out, that the whole Plagueis thing is a lie. But how much of it is a lie? Did Darth Plagueis even exist? Is it made up whole cloth, or is Sidious telling us how he murdered his master, and only making up the part about cheating death?

Or is Darth Plagueis an ancient master, and not Sidious' master?

We need to know the story of Sidious to understand what role he might have had in Anakin's creation. At this point, I think it's a very interesting speculation, but we simply don't have enough data either way. Perhaps the EU will fill in some of this.

Personally, I think it makes the destruction of the Sith even more ironic if Plagueis or Sidious did have a hand in it. It would prove that, in the end, the "Rule of Two" wasn't enough - the Sith managed to destroy themselves anyway.

 

I truely believe that palpatine did create anakin. The one piece of doubt in my mind was about why would he have gone to tatooine.

My sister of all people cleared this up for me.

The sith did exactly what the jedi did with the twins.

if anakin stayed with palpy then perhaps the jedi would have senses it too much. Palpatine wanted to keep anakin in hiding until the time was right. He knew anakin would be found and some point and always believed he could turn him to the dark side - a)by setting things up b)the fact that he was created by the dark side.

 

i think i know why lucas left this one open... he wanted to see how many believe palps' lies! this is lucas' case study: "are there any anakins out there?"

 

Rick McCallum thinks that Palpatine created Anakin...

But what does Rick know?

 

While it can be said that Anakin was INDEED created by some sort of "divine intervention," to a certain extent, perhaps one could argue that it was ultimately his son, Luke, who fulfilled the prophecy ("coaxing the Jedi" out of Lord Vader, for lack of a better term)of "the one who will bring balance to the force," as opposed to his father.

Oh, and as for Palpatine-- or even his rumored-master Plagieus (sp?) -- manipulating the Force to divert what ultimately would be his fate? Highly plausible.

But Anakin, "chosen one"? As the years progress, I want to dispute this long-held assumption more and more....

Thank you for your time, friends.

 

The identity of Plagueis is no secret: in Episode II, when Obi-Wan arrives at the cloner planet of Kamino, he is told about Master Jedi Sipho Dias who ordered the creation of this army, without the consent of the coucil.

Makes sense to me. I always knew that Sifo Dyas was once a jedi that was believed dead (ala Vader) and went to the darkside, as you look at Yoda's and Mace's faces during that scene. Whether he was Maul, Tyranus, Palps was always a BIG question. But if he was Darth Plagueis, then it would make sense only if Maul was not trained at birth or maybe he was their instrument to get things started before Anakin was born.

 

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Sorry guys, you are well off there (from what we do know)

Sifo Dyas was just a jedi. He was a red-herring in the whole clone thing.

Sidious ordered the clones under the alias of Sifo Dyas. He told dooku that sifo did it to make Dooku kill Sifo thus showing his committment to the dark side/sith.

Dooku then erased the archive memory.

Sifo Dyas was a jedi. Darth Plageuis was a Sith Master in hiding. he was Sisious master who may or may not have special talents that he tought Palpatine. Palpatine killed Plagueis. Dooku killed Sifo Dyas.

Read Labrinyth of Evil for more on this.

Order 66 showed that Sidious ordered the army, which therefore tells us that Sifo Dyas had nothing to do with it. Hence why what I have written above makes full sense.

 

No, I don't think so. But it's clever on palpatine's part to try to insinuate this, he doesn't get anakin to completely buy the stuff about the jedi being selfish, so the next thing he resorts to is a lie perfectly suitable to the need of anakin.

Palp's doesn't have the power that much is obvious but the plagueis legend is either a lie, or a misconception on palp's part.

I have some theories about this, none that support the claim-
1- Palp's is obviously a liar and will say anything, promise anything, to seduce..ie--dooku, the seperatists..etc. In this case he needs anakin, his power will be great and to convert the sith destroyer makes perfect sense.

2- Perhaps it's not a complete lie to palp's maybe plagueis said he could do it and promised to teach this non-existant power to sid's to keep him under control and one day palp's figures..well he won't teach me, so let me test the theory an kill him.
Palp's thinks it's B.S.
Then he see's anakin hears how he was a virgin birth an actually believes anakin may be plagueis' creation, and he feels he has to have him. But he's not. It just doesn't make sense that the sith would create they're own destroyer. If he is the creation of a sith to bring about the end of the sith when they have control of the galaxy..!!?? Seems it could be palp's duped himself.

He does get anakin for awhile and puts off the prophecy but destiny catches up with him. Because it was the will of the force, and anakin was created by the force, to fulfill it's will, which is to remove the darkness from consuming it.

Don't even know if palp's knows about the prophecy, nothing in the films says so, he may just want the most potentially powerful jedi and anakin happens to be somewhat flawed so it makes sense to persue the seduction.


I also feel it's meant to not only strike up debate but it's somewhat of a cop out or loophole created by Lucas. To make everyone happy.

 

I also feel it's meant to not only strike up debate but it's somewhat of a cop out or loophole created by Lucas. To make everyone happy.
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Yes

 

You know what I mean.

 

I also feel it's meant to not only strike up debate but it's somewhat of a cop out or loophole created by Lucas. To make everyone happy.

Of course! And perhaps to pave the way for a good EU novel like the Labyrinth, RotS, Dark Lord trilogy (the last coming in the near future).

Master_Shaitan Your sister is a very clever person. That is indeed a great parallel to Palpatine hiding Anakin on Tatooine, till he hoped the time was right and Obi-Wan/Yoda hiding Luke on Tatooine till the time was actually right!

 

Master_Shaitan Your sister is a very clever person. That is indeed a great parallel to Palpatine hiding Anakin on Tatooine, till he hoped the time was right and Obi-Wan/Yoda hiding Luke on Tatooine till the time was actually right!

Thanks. She was a star wars fan long before me and ROTS has her addicted again!

I just never thought about it and tried to keep quite when she said it as to not make her think she knows more than me.

I think that there is a lot of good logic that points to palpy being anakins creator...

 

Remember when you were lead to believe that ROTS would tie-up the loose ends, and segue into ANH perfectly?

Yet look at this discussion.

(Insert sarcasim here) Great Job George!

VFD

 

I think he did because after all, anikan never had a father, and when palpatine said "he could influence the midichlorans to creat life." He sorta looked at Anikan funny.

 

Why did Mace and Yoda look at each other knowingly in ep 2 at the mention of Sifo Dyas, unless they knew there was something fishy about his death? Was it true that he became a Sith and Yoda and Mace didnt want anyone to know? Do we know this for sure, or is it all speculation--where is the proof?

 

The look on their face has to do with the fact that a dead Jedi Master's name is on the reciept for a Clone Army. How could that be, if he's already dead? And further, why would he do it?

 

The sith did exactly what the jedi did with the twins.

The problem with this theory is that the Jedi _did_ find Anakin, so apparently Palpatine did not hide him hard enough.

Whereas, if Anakin was created by Darth Plagueis, this is not a problem. He just grew up on Tatooine like a normal child, because his creator was dead. The Jedi found him, and Palpatine sensed his potential, realizing he was his master's creation, and tried to take him away from the jedi.

 

Well, there's also that chilling piece of dialogue when Palpatine is appointing Annakin as his personnal representative on the Jedi Council:

-I need your help, son. (or something like that)

Anyway u look at it, it's sinister!

 

What if Plagueis created Anakin because he KNEW his creation would ultimately DESTROY the bastard he might have FORSEEN would kill him?

Or not.

What the hell, who knows?

 

DarthSyphus posted on 6/5/05 7:35pm

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[b] The sith did exactly what the jedi did with the twins.[/b]

The problem with this theory is that the Jedi _did_ find Anakin, so apparently Palpatine did not hide him hard enough.

Whereas, if Anakin was created by Darth Plagueis, this is not a problem. He just grew up on Tatooine like a normal child, because his creator was dead. The Jedi found him, and Palpatine sensed his potential, realizing he was his master's creation, and tried to take him away from the jedi.
[hr][/blockquote] It could also be argued that Palpatine was privy to Plagueis' plan, knew about the boy and his name, and perhaps had even been keeping tabs on him from afar. It makes absolute sense for the boy to have been created on an outer rim world where the Jedi were very unlikely to venture. Remember:[blockquote][hr][i]SHMI : The Republic doesn't exist out here[/i][hr][/blockquote]For me, all the available information allows for the possibility that Darth Plagueis created Anakin.

It's interesting though how the Will of the Force always wins, regardless of how hard the Sith try and influence it. It's the great paradox of the Star Wars saga - the Sith attempt to manipulate and control the force in order to gain power, while the Jedi, who allow the Will of the Force to guide their actions and do not seek power for its own sake, ultimately gain the ability to retain their identity in the Force and control the Will of the Force.[blockquote][hr][i]BEN: Remember, a Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him.

LUKE: You mean it controls your actions?

BEN: Partially. But it also obeys your commands.[/i][hr][/blockquote]It's interesting how this philosophy mirrors to a certain extent a school of thought in Christian Theology which teaches that by sacrificing one's life for the will of God, ultimately one gains a higher "station" in heaven... or a more jewel-encrusted crown if you will (a crown being a symbol of authority and power).

 

Here is your answer:

"...Recently, in a Rolling Stone interview (RS 975), Lucas has indicated that the issue was left deliberately mysterious in the movies, and that it's up to the audience to decide for themselves how Anakin was created..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Plagueis

 

"...Recently, in a Rolling Stone interview (RS 975), Lucas has indicated that the issue was left deliberately mysterious in the movies, and that it's up to the audience to decide for themselves how Anakin was created..."

Hey George, remember when you said that ROTS would tie-up the loose ends, and seamlessly segue into ANH?

When did you change your mind?

Also, can you explain Sifo Dyas while your at it?

THANKS!

VFD

 

If Plagius created Skywalker, why was he on the light side at first?

 

First off, no.

IMO, the line where Palps states something to the effect that Plageuis could influence the midichlorans to creat life is only referring to being able to give life back to someone who is dying - what Anakin needs to hear if he is having dreams of Padme's death. Let's remember that Palps is "seducing him to the dark side" and will tell him whatever lies he needs to.

I agree you can read into this something deeper, but I think that is what most people are doing and am glad to see that the majority of votes are no. George may have left this open for debate, or he may have had a little brain fart when he was writing the script (even though he would never do that )

 

Plagueis would have been dead by then. Sidious would have been training Maul at Anakin's birth.