Did Darth Plagueis create Anakin Skywalker?

Nope, Plagus didn't create Anakin. Plagus was dead a long long time before Anakin was ever born. Despite what some people have been saying ... Sidious was not Plagus' apprentice.

 

No, he didn't create him. I think Palpatine was telling Anakin a load of rubbish at that point. He's telling things to Anakin just to bring him in. Much like Obi-Wan did in ANH with Luke.

 

No. Palpatine was simply lying to him to get Anakin to join him.

 

I voted no. If he did why would he just create 1? Then there would be no need for Clones. I feel sure that Palaptine was just feeding Anakin a line. To bait him.

 

Here's another question. Was there even such a Sith named Darth Plagueis or was all of that fabricated as well?

And that is the Crux of who Palpatine is. We don't know what is truth or what is a lie unless Lucas himself says that it did or didn't happen. Palpatine said that Plagues taught his apprentice EVERYTHING he knew and yet he told Anakin/Vader that he didn't know how to cheat death. One of those statements is a lie...possibly both are.

We need another rule in the Star Wars debate book.

Rule 66: Nothing that Palpatine/Sidious says can be taken as being canon unless Lucas has personally confirmed it as being true.

 

No. Complete and utter BS.

What I got out of the entire movie, and these are just what I got out of it, is this:

Anakin confided in Palpatine after AOTC about the nightmares of his mother and his going berserk on Tatooine.

Palpy is now thinking...hmmm...here's a really good sith in training...let me help him along....

We never saw Anakin's visions of his mother in AOTC. But now we see his visions of Padme's death, SURROUNDED BY DARKNESS.

Palpy decides to tell the "tragedy of Darth Plagues the Wise" to Anakin. Heck at this point, I am not convinced that Palpy was even Plagues' apprentice. I think Palpy knows this Sith legend, and simply is left wondering if (since of course he is privy to the prophecy) Plagues had a hand in Anakin's creation. I think he zaps this Anakin's way simply to make Anakin think of his origins and perhaps sway him. The "tragedy" may be true, but I think the context in which Palpy presents it is utter crap.

Now, when Anakin makes the terrible choice of going Ginsu on Mace, Palpy tosses out this "You're fulfilling your destiny" stuff at Anakin, as if he is telling Anakin that he created (Or Plagues) him, and it was Ani's destiny to become a Sith Lord.

Now, in the same vein, I am supposed to believe that "only one" was able to unlock the secret of immportality"? Oh come on. Born yesterday, I, was not. The simple answer to this entire question is:

Palpy planted those images of Padme dying in Anakin's head, just as he told Anakin through the force that "the secret" would die with him. Palps wasn't dying. Palps was going nowhere, and he knew that Anakin or not, he was turning Mace's posse into office decor. He lied to Anakin about the keeping people from dying garbage. He lied, lied, lied, period. All of the "tragedies", visions, and stories were simply a way to turn Anakin to the dark side by exploiting Ani's one weakness, attachment.

End of story. Full of crap, Palpatine is.

 

No. Palpatine was lying about that. I believe his master was named Darth Plagueis, but the rest was a lie.

-barth

 

PLAGUEIS DIDN'T! BUT PALPS DID!!!!

In the book "The Making of Star Wars Revenge of the Sith" It goes through the rough drafts of the story It showed dialogue with palps telling anakin that he created him through the force.

Pg. 42

Darth Sidious: I have waited all these years for you to fulfill your destiny(...) I have arranged for your conception. I used the power of the force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created you.

Anakin: I don't believe you.

Darth Sidious: Ahhh, but you know it's true. When you clear your mind, you will sense the truth. You could almost think of me as your father.

Anakin:Thats Impossible!

Darth Sidious:Nevertheless, you must decide...

THE MAKING OF STAR WARS REVENGE OF THE SITH BY J.W RINZLER

Now people are making the arguement if this were true then it would not make anakin the choosen one. I disagree I still see him as the choosen one even though he was created by the sith. The sith created anakin so that he would bring peace and justice to the galaxy. (Which basically means he kills off jedi) But then what if he were the one the jedi were searching for he did bring balance, he killed palps. I think hes still the choosen one, even if the sith did create him. The sith created their own downfall. I think I know why George took out this scene because if Palps knew Plagueis power he wouldn't tell anakin if he had it, because it would ruin his manipulation of him.

 

I believe Palps was lying to anakin, but I believe he knew plagueis power to create and sustain life. If you think back to when Palps was explaining to anakin about the story of Plagueis the wise, he said he was consumed with losing his power. Losing his power meant that he would have to die to lose it. So in order to keep himself (Plagueis) alive he teaches it to Palps. Palps capitalizes on the moment and kills his master in his sleep driven by the lust for power. Then creates a master apprentice that will help him bring the destruction of the jedi he lets the boy get discovered by the jedi and works his way up the political ladder. Then when Mace Windu dies He tells anakin that together we shall find this power. I believe He says this because he has a fear of losing his power. "Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutly." He reconized that Plagueis only mistake was teaching his power to his apprenice. Another fact for the reason why Palpatine would lie to anakin would be he sensed his deception, his betrayal. Remember Anakin tells padme he will kill palps and take over the republic for himself. Lastly, he lied to anakin about his power because he knew he could become more powerful than him and yoda. Then when he goes to mustafar and finds a wounded anakin anyone notice how he touches his forhead, he was using the Power of Plagueis to sustain his life just enough for the medic droids to arrive.

Star Wars REVENGE OF THE SITH by Matthew Stover

PG. 408

The Sith lord lowered the limbless man tenderly to the cool ground above, and laid his hand across the cracked and blackened mess that once had been his brow, and he set his will upon him.

Live, Lord Vader, Live, my apprentice. Live


Once Vader was in the suit he tells Anakin he killed padme, and Vader stays loyal to him until he finds out his secret so he could be with padme again. That and heres another theory why Vader stays loyal to him up until ROTJ, is that Palpatine was keeping Vader alive with his power and the sith lightening was not the reason why he died, once he tossed palps he knew it was over. Vaders reason why he choose to leave the dark side was for the love of his son. Palpatine basically had Vader on a leash the whole entire time. Now people are saying if he were created by palps or plagueis how could he be the choosen one. Where does it say the choosen one can't be created by the sith. I find it ironic if it were true that the sith end up creating a weapon that leads to their own demise. Anakin was the choosen one for bringing balance to the force, by killing palps.

 

Absolutely not. If you go back and watch ep. 1 again, you will see that when they're talking about the prophecy, they make it clear that the force created him. Not that it was manipulated by someone to create him.

 

Before you all say end of story.... Read the new Rolling Stone...

Lucas Calls Palp a "serogate (sp) father" to anakin....


There is your case closed....


I mean come on everyone... you dont lightly imply something like that... as for the part about Palp not knowing and that Ani and him have to figure out this power together.. HE IS ONLY REFERING TO CHEATING DEATH..... Further more on the cheating death scene, there is more to it... That scene where Bail comes up on Yoda... (was filmed but cut) Qui Gon talks to him... SHould be on the DVD along with all the senator/rebelion talk. I strongly suggest reading the book.


LUCAS WAS VAGUE FOR A REASON... HOW COOL TO SPARK THE ULTIMATE SW DEBATE ON YOUR WAY OUT... WAY TO GO GEORGE!

 

ultimate debate, indeed

I say no. I admit it's possible, but... no, he didn't.

 

No! Interesting idea though.

 

I too think Lucas left it intentionally vague, but in one of the earlier draft scripts Sidious comes and outright tells him, so the idea was definately on Lucas' mind. Now we have to determine whether he took it out because he didn't like the idea anymore, or because he didn't want a complete rehash of the ESB revelation.
I am of the opinion that Plagueis did indeed somehow have a hand in Anakin's creation. There is just WAY too much subtext going on in that Opera scene for it to all be lies. Plagueis is Sidious' master, Sidious learned the secret, killed Plagueis, and used it to sustain Vader on the lava banks at the end of the film. He only tells Anakin he doesn't know it because he knows that if he taught Anakin the secret, he would turn on him right away, so Palpatine keeps him on a leash. The book is a very good source of information, and, because George Lucas checked over every word, he seems to agree, if not explicity on external forces creating Anakin, then definately Palpatine using his power on Anakin ont he lavas banks as well as Palpatine being Plagueis' apprentice, as he explicitly states it in the book.

 

sithlord85 that is still NOT THE STORY

That was just an idea Lucas was playing around with get that in your head


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No, he didn't create him. I think Palpatine was telling Anakin a load of rubbish at that point. He's telling things to Anakin just to bring him in. Much like Obi-Wan did in ANH with Luke.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

Muvie Trailer....

Then simply justify the Making Of ROTS as stated in earlier posts and also Explain why, in Rolling Stone, GL would use the exact term "Serogate Father" when refering to the relation ship between Ani and Palp and I will lay down my lightsaber, my collection and everything else at your feet... I mean really, He didnt say Adoptive Father, Foster Father, Boys and Girls Club Father...SEROGATE FATHER... Check out the dictionary.. Serogate would refer to an outside party helping a Womb be impregnated... THE CHOSEN ONE IS STILL POSSIBLE... I mean the Sith and Power eventually is always their undoing...the Chosen One chucked his psudofather/ creator over a balcony... Someone should again ask GL but he is probably logging into these kind of Forums laughing his ass off!

 

Darth Plagueis did not create Anakin Skywalker. Palpatine did.

Revenge of the Sith does all but come out and say it - Palpatine willed the midiclorians to create Anakin Skywalker.

I don't know how anyone could assume otherwise.

From TPM:

Qui-Gon: "What of his father?"

Shmi: (paraphrasing a bit) "There was no father. I can't explain it. I carried him. I gave birth to him..."

Then there's the small conversation between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon about Anakin's astronomically high midichlorian count.

Then in ROTS, Palpatine tells Anakin about Plagueis' ability to create life by manipulating the midichlorians.

Palpatine muredered his master and willed the dark side of the force to creat Anakin Skywalker using the skills taught to him by Plagueis.

Plagueis did not creat Anakin. Palpatine did.

 

Now before anyone gets confused qui-gon tells yoda how to become one with the force. He says that it requires Love and Compassion. The sith will never able to achieve such power because they do not love nor feel compassion. But keep in mind this does not mean that the sith can't keep the dead alive or create life. This just means that can't become one with the force, aka FORCE GHOSTS. By the way does anyone know how anakin learns that power in ROTJ???.... perhaps for another discussion.

 

I think we need more polls about stuff. I like polls.

 

no he definitely did not create anakin

 

No way. If this was the case then Anakin would no longer be the Chosen One. Just some sperm and egg that Plagueis screwed around with.

 

how can you all be so sure? I am not saying that my theory is correct but you are all writing it off. This was obviously meant for debate. Where does it say the choosen one must have no father? be created through the force? or in a myserious way? This is all just assumed. Well lets see from the facts, anakin has no father, was created through the force. Either way, If he were created by the sith he could still be the choosen one. No REAL father, Made from the force (Dark side)

 

it's possible, his powers made sense creating anakin because his powers had the abilities to do that and anakin had no father which makes no sense, plus his midi clorion count was rather high, over 20,000 , even higher than master yoda making this highly possibly, i put yes just because i think it is a cool theory, even though it may not be true.

 

i don't think so...