Did Dooku train Greivious so as to team up against Sidious?

We're not told why Greivous was trained in ROTS.

 

No it was to kill as many jedi as he could

 

I doubt Dooku had any plans of overthrowing Sidious. The General was trained to help the Sith and kill the Jedi.

 

General Grevious was placed there to command the droid armies on the planets that waged the Clone Wars. Come to find out Grevious was a better Jedi killer than military mind.

No, Dooku had no plans to overthrow Sidious. Dooku was in fact looking forward to retirement when Sidious betrayed him.

 

"Join me Obi Wan and together, we will destroy the Sith!"


He wanted to.. he just knew there wasn't much of a chance without someone like Obi Wan.

 

I think that line was a lie to make Obi think he wasn't a sith.

 

i think this theory of training GG to overthrow sids makes sense but i just dont think thats the case here...

 

My question is, if Dooku trained Grievous in the Jedi arts, then why didn't Grievous put up a better fight against Obi-Wan, particularly when it came to fighting with lightsabers?

Grievous showed no skill or prowess at all that even indicated he was trained by Dooku. What few skills if any that Grievous showed could have been done without any training from Dooku.

When hearing that he had been trained by Dooku, I fully expected a much better battle between Grievous and Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan barely winning. In other words, I would have expected Obi-Wan to possibly lose the saber battle, and he has to use the blaster to win. Of course that is what happened, except that Obi-Wan did win the saber battle.

With what few skills Grievous showed, what help would he have been to help Dooku overthrow Sidious?

Darth Sin!

 

Considering both were busy running a war for the three years they knew each other, I think Dooku's "training" was more "this is how you handle a lightsaber without accidentally killing yourself" than "this is how to be really good at this, like me."

 

Training Grievous was nothing more than a chore Palpatine had Dooku do to insure that Grievous could handle a one-on-one fight with a Jedi. That said, it?s in a Sith?s nature to crave power and try to overthrow they?re Master (Palpatine/Plagueis, Anakin/Palpatine). Could Dooku have had a hidden agenda? I don?t really think so, but after a while he might?ve craved more power and it would've been a possibility.

 

Yeah Dooku was deathly afraid of Sidious...as revealed in LOE
Master SR70 is right...its a good theory but it doesn't have the substance it needs to walk on its own.

BTW I think Dooku would have pooped a Star Destroyer if you suggested this idea to him...

 

Since Grevious had no force ability, he could only be so good with a saber. He wouldn't have lasted as long as he did against Obi Wan if he wasn't a cyborg.

 

My question is, if Dooku trained Grievous in the Jedi arts, then why didn't Grievous put up a better fight against Obi-Wan, particularly when it came to fighting with lightsabers?


Actually, he did put up a good lightsaber fight against Obi-Wan. It was Obi-Wans force push that did him in and ended the lightsaber battle.

 

Greivous was a tempoary piece of the puzzle just as the Sepratists were and Dooku was

 

I think that line was a lie to make Obi think he wasn't a sith.

I read that the ROTS novelization made it pretty clear that Dooku really did want Obi-Wan to join him and he desired it until his death. If true, that would indicate that he did want to overthrow Sidious.

Did anyone read the novel? Is this true?

 

Grievous was no match for Obi-wan, despite Dooku's teachings. Unlike the other Jedi that he has fought, Obi-wan and Mace are only ones who were not afraid of Grievous. Obi-wan was totally focused on the Living Force and mastered his emotions long ago.

Dooku trained Grievous so that he could be an effective Jedi killer, during the Clone Wars. Dooku had plans to turn Obi-wan so that he could join up with him, but never to kill Palpatine. That's why he never used Asajj Ventress or Sora Boaq (sp) to attack Sidious.

 

I agree Dooku would need a back up plan.

 

My gut tells me that Dooku would have overthrown Sidious if he could persuade Obi Wan to help him. It is Sith nature to crave more power. I don't know of any Sith who would be content being the little "errand boy/girl." The only reason a Sith would show the slightest bit of patience would be because they know they would lose a confrontation with the master.

However, addressing the topic directly, I'd have to say that Dooku did not train Grievous to aid him in an attempt to overthrow Sidious. Dooku would need well trained force-sensitive accomplices, not a cyborg.

Grievous was just good enough to beat low to mid level Jedi. I feel any master would beat him one on one.

You'd need more juice to take on Sidious.






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Grievous was created to be a military strategist for the Separatists. But because he was a warrior and wanted to take part in battle, Dooku taught him how to fight Jedi.

 

My question is, if Dooku trained Grievous in the Jedi arts, then why didn't Grievous put up a better fight against Obi-Wan, particularly when it came to fighting with lightsabers?

The Force. GG doesn't have it. Obi Wan has great sword skills and The Force.

 

To Obi-Wan and Dooku, the lightsaber is a way of life, it represents something. One is good and one is evil, but they have both given themselves to the Force. For Grievous, the lightsaber is just another tool, like a turbolaser, force pike, hand grenade, or nerve gas. He uses it to kill Jedi when it gets up close and personal. It is natural that he, a professional soldier and strategist with an almost indestructible body (with four arms, incredible speed, strength and agility), would want to learn how to fight with the most awesome hand weapon in the galaxy, especially when his enemies are Jedi and his superior is an ex-Jedi.

But if he were going to double-cross Dooku or Sidious, he wouldn't use a lightsaber. He's not stupid. He seems to fight for practice only, like it's a sport or an artform he wishes to master. He fights Obi-Wan only when he has the Jedi outnumbered, he probably thinks it will be a good way to keep his skills sharp. When he has to face Obi-Wan and Anakin together, and his bodyguards are dead, he risks his life and sacrifices his flagship to escape. I don't know how he got those other lightsabers in his cloak, but I doubt he jumped into the middle of a group of Jedi and fought them all at once (like in the Clone Wars cartoon). I can picture him prying them out of the hands of dead Padawans who have been crisped by napalm or blasted to pieces by Hailfire droids. But that's what I like about him, he's a real kind of villain.

 

I don't think that the Sith would want Greivous to be good enough to kill Obi-Wan in a duel, otherwise they'll have by far bigger problem after Order 66. Much better that they both get killed, with Obi-Wan shot by clonetroopers moments later.

No, Greivous is nowhere near good enough to be Dukoo's partner in a plot like that. He isn't force strong for a start. He would need an experienced Jedi (like ObiWan) to do that. Palpatine would just forcechoke it, or simply use the force to take all four lightsabers out of Greivous' hands....

Its possible that he trained SevRance Tann (from a Star Wars computer game) to do that, but she got killed too early to be of any use.

If Dukoo really wanted to turn on Palps, it would be after the Order 66, with Anakin's support. Actually thats probably what he wanted, Anakin and him teaming (after Anakin of course had turned to the dark side).

 

but a dooku/obi wan team would be enough to kill palpatine,unlike a dooku/asajj or dooku/sora team that still would be no match for palpatine.i doubt that dooku didnt kill palpatine only because he didnt want to.

 

But I don?t know how successful they would have been (according to Yoda Obi is no match for Sidious). I would say if Obi could survive Sidious early assault he & Dooku would win. The Count wouldn?t be able to deflect Palpatine lightning but with a saber in his hand he could block it, as for lightsaber skills I think that Dooku is on about level terms with Palps so throw Obi in2 the mix & as long as its in a confined space & as long as Palpatine doesn?t have anything to big to throw at them I fancy Obi & Dooku would get the job done.

 

Obi Frans posted this in another thread regarding Grievous' abilities:

Dooku couldn't suffer another moment of it.
"No, no, stop, stop," he yelled, coming to his feet and striding to the middle of the training circle, his arms extended to both sides. When he was certain that he had their attention, he swung to Grievous. "Power moves served ou well on Hypori against Jed ushc as Daakman Barrek and Tarr Seir. But I pity you should have to face off against any of the Council Masters." He called into his hand his courtly, curve-handled lightsaber and drew a rapid X in the air--a Makashi flourish. "Do I need to demonstrate what responses you can expect from Cin Drallig or Obi-Wan Kenobi? From Mace Windu or, stars help you, Yoda?"

Grievous was good against the lesser Jedi and padawans but couldnt compete with a Jedi Master.

In terms of siding with Dooku vs Sidious - not a chance.

a) Dooku was naive enough to be faithful to Sidious, despite a few moments of 'weakness'. He believed he would be creating a Sith army made up of fallen Jedi. The incident with Kenobi on Geonosis was for three reasons:

1. To try and have him join his Sith army
2. To confuse the Jedi
3. To set up the encounter later on

b) Dooku would have known that siding with Grievous would be pointless. Sidious would own him in seconds.