Did Jar Jar command any clone troopers to kill Jedi?

hold on one second here. there are Jar Jar fans???

 

First and foremost, no one voted for Jar Jar. He was appointed to sit in the Senate by Padme, as she was running off to Naboo with Anakin.

If that doesn't prove that the "good guys" of Star Wars were brain damaged, I don't know what does.

Second, the idea that Jar Jar could order dinner let alone a bunch of clone troopers without damaging himself in some way, is thoroughly silly.

 

Of course there are... all sorts of crazy people watch star-wars now

 

Yes, there are. I'm one of them.

I doubt that Jar Jar did much for the Empire. I'd wager that Palpatine had him removed as the Senate Representitive for the Gungans of Naboo. It's rumored that in the upcoming novels following Dark Nest, that the Skywalkers and the Solos head to Naboo.

 

You know when Jar Jar appeared in TPM back in 1999, I found him quite funny. Then all thoes accusations came out. Rather than writing it myself, I'll use Wikpedia's Jar Jar Binks article to tell what happened:

After the Phantom Menace was released, Jar Jar Binks was widely rejected and often ridiculed, especially by hardcore fans of the series. Jar Jar, intended as a draw for younger demographics, clashed with the expectations of the older hardcore fanbase, used to the more adult tone of the earlier films. It is commonly speculated by the character's detractors that Jar Jar represents a cynical turn in George Lucas' epic, a marketing gimmick designed to sell memorabilia. Jar Jar's ubiquitousness on the merchandising surrounding the film, did little to allay the fear that Lucas had "sold out". (Similar charges were levelled at the appearance of the teddy-bear like Ewoks in 1983's Return of the Jedi.) As hardcore fans often seek to identify with movie characters (e.g. cosplay at fan conventions and premiers), many object to any portrayal of cuteness in the Star Wars hexalogy.

Some of the more serious charges against the character of Jar Jar (and consequently against Lucas, his creator) suggest that Jar Jar is a modern incarnation of racist stereotypes used as comic relief in many motion pictures of the first half of the 20th century. His dialect is widely thought to sound stereotypically like Jamaican English, while his bodily expressions and tendency to get into trouble remind many of Stepin Fetchit and other similar (black) characters. Another reference is in THX1138 where THX (Duvall), while flipping through channels, briefly watches a (futuristic and holgraphic) black minstrel scene. It is likely, however, that Lucas had in mind a different racial stereotype. The character Gunga Din, in the 1939 movie of the same name, was an Indian "water boy" for the British army who comically tried to imitate the British soldiers but in the end saved the day by blowing a horn to summon assistance in the middle of an attack. The fact that Jar Jar is called a Gungan, and that he blows a horn to start a battle where his people help save the day, both suggest that he is intended as an homage to Gunga Din.

Jar Jar is not the only character in The Phantom Menace whose accent has drawn controversy. Notably, detractors claim, the greedy Trade Federation spoke with East Asian accents, and Watto (who lives in a desert climate and was a trader) spoke with a Yiddish accent. These allegations are controversial and not universally agreed upon. George Lucas in particular denies such allegations.

Jar Jar is given a significantly more utilitarian role in Attack of the Clones. Having acquired some esteem from those around him, he is suddenly cast into a pivotal role by filling in for Padmé Amidala on the senate and moving an army into action, which then sets up the entire plot for the Clone Wars. We see, in this action, Jar Jar's innocence betrays him as he inadvertently causes the undoing of the Galactic Republic. In this light, the character takes on new significance. Many believe that George Lucas may have written this shift in character importance in response to the criticism he received originally.

In Revenge of the Sith, Jar Jar is only seen three times and has no speaking parts in all but one scene (at the beginning of the film, after Anakin and Obi-Wan land with Palpatine, and as the senators file behind him, Jar Jar gets in the way of Senator Orn Free Taa and says a brief "Excuse me").

I can't really see Lucas as racist becaue he's so liberal. I think that, if anything, Ahmed Best may have come up with the silly persona this character dons that is so reviled by critics. I personally don't think he was intended to be a racist stereotype. I hope he wasn't. However, I do think that Jar Jar served a good perpurse in the prequels. He gave TPM a different feel from ther Star Wars films. His naive nature served Palpatine perfectly. I personally think that they may have came up with the idea of Jar Jar proposing emergancy po

 

Lucas has been hit with racisim since ANH, back in 77. No blacks and only one or two women in the film. In TESB, we had Lando and a couple of minor black people in the background. ROTJ added an Asian actor and another black actor. Then came the PT where Lucas added a more diverse mix, including Mori. But people accused Lucas of being racist in AOTC, because they assumed that Kamino was like Camino. And that the Clonetroopers were all Mexican, though none of the Fetts/Clones are Mexican at all. I think it was something about migrant workers or some such.

Anyway, Lucas has always been blasted for a lack of diversity. Much of Jar Jar's persona was developed by both Best and Lucas. It's a sad state of our society that feels the need to look for things that aren't there. Star Wars isn't the only place where such allegations have been hurled.

 

The discussion of whether Lucas was being a racist could go on forever. I tdon't think it counts for something to be racism if you don't actually hate the race in question.

Lucas merely used ethnic stereotypes from the real world to make his fantsy world characters. It really should go no futher than that.

The important thing is that here we have a poor doofus with no prospects for life is propelled into the limelight where eventually he becomes an imperial stooge doing the bidding of the Emperor,i.e. "Jar Jar, if Senator Amidala were here, she would gave me a sweet back-rub and then snuggle up to me and nibble on my ear." Yes, it's a disturbing image but that's why Mace tried to stop Palpy before he made all the Jedi his ove slaves.

Jar Jar was the perfect imperial useful idiot.

 

wel that explains why it was blowned up twice.

 

I heard that jar Jar went to Alderan and later got blown up

 

First and foremost, no one voted for Jar Jar. He was appointed to sit in the Senate by Padme, as she was running off to Naboo with Anakin.

As hard as it may be to believe, he was elected Representative from Naboo by voters. Padme had him do her Senate duties (She was a Senator, Binks was a Representative) while she went to Naboo with Anakin for protection.

 

Why would you ask that?

 

"He already did. Did you miss AOTC ? After Padmes death, he automatically stumbled to become the senior member of the Naboo delagation. We'll have to look closely, but he probably was one of those cheering when Palps announced the Empire"
Actually Jar Jar was in the same senate chamber that Pamdé and Bail are in when Palpatine announces the Empire. He sees their reaction and knows Padmé was against it. Therefore this thread is a bit pointless. Jar Jar only did what he thought Padmé would want in AOTC - therefore there is no chance he would have become a Palpatine fan after her death. He knows how she felt about it as he was there when she says "so this is how liberty dies - with thunderous applause". There is no way he didn't know. In fact it is more than likey he would join the rebellion's cause as he knew Padmé and Bail shared the same ideas. Some people don't realise that Jar Jar is in the Naboo senate chamber during the Empire scenes. Jar Jar is no friend of Palpatine - he is a friend of the Jedi, Anakin and especially Padmé and he knew how she felt about the Palpatine being Emperor situation. Jar jar is a good guy although a bit naive.

 

Yes, acctually ALL the characters from the PT who are not in the OT all get on a big ship and take a trip to Alderan just before it is blown up as to tie up any loose ends.

 

Actually Jar Jar was in the same senate chamber that Pamdé and Bail are in when Palpatine announces the Empire. He sees their reaction and knows Padmé was against it. Therefore this thread is a bit pointless. Jar Jar only did what he thought Padmé would want in AOTC - therefore there is no chance he would have become a Palpatine fan after her death. He knows how she felt about it as he was there when she says "so this is how liberty dies - with thunderous applause". There is no way he didn't know. In fact it is more than likey he would join the rebellion's cause as he knew Padmé and Bail shared the same ideas. Some people don't realise that Jar Jar is in the Naboo senate chamber during the Empire scenes. Jar Jar is no friend of Palpatine - he is a friend of the Jedi, Anakin and especially Padmé and he knew how she felt about the Palpatine being Emperor situation. Jar jar is a good guy although a bit naive.

What are you talking about? Jar Jar thought he was doing Padme a great service by offering up the Emergency Powers motion. It was Jar Jar who showed great satisfaction at having his motion supported by the Senate and JJ knew nothing about the squabble between the Jedi and Palpy. I hate to advise this but go back and watch this useful idiot perform his job with great pride in AOTC. Later in ROTS, how many Jedi died on that day because of Jar Jar can only be guessed at. He was well rewarded by the Emperor as when Lucas when given the chance to describe Jar Jar's fortunes after ROTS, goes on to say that he served in the Senate with distinction and then retired to his Naboo home after the Senate was swept away.

Yes, clearly, JJ did the bidding of the Emperor, was well rewarded for his efforts, took no part in the rebellion, and retired a big fat rich Gungan after ANH.

Lucas played JJ beautifully and twisted and turned his character in such a way that the poor JJ fans didn't have a clue that they were in love with the ulimate useful idiot, clueless as to direction, and then quite ready to betray friends based on what his limited intelligence told him was the appropriate thing to do. I'll be laughing about this for years to come.

 

Actually Jar Jar was in the same senate chamber that Pamdé and Bail are in when Palpatine announces the Empire. He sees their reaction and knows Padmé was against it.

Actually because the rebelliion scenes were cut, Padmes reaction at that point is somewhat ambiguous. To me, not taking the cut rebellion scenes into account, she doesnt like the senate vote to create the Empire, but is not vehemently against it. Im sure there were other votes in the Senate that she didnt like, but went along with because of democracy. So Jar-Jar would be as confused as ever, that didnt change.

 

You are right TrueJedi, infact that is one of the best post I have seen in a long time.

 

I actually liked Jar Jar for his part in the story. I think he would have been a better character if the nit-wit' characteristics had been explored more rather than the 'slap-stick' gimic used to get through to kids that he was supposed to be kind of dumb; this improved line of thinking was set in place for his part in AOTC.

Of all his antics the only ones that really annoyed me was his juggling act because it was overkill. For the most part the rest of his actions worked well for what he was supposed to be. The exception to this was his elevation to status as a general. I think his blundering on the battle field would have been more interesting if his place was as that of a common foot soldier and from what we see it seems like that's what he was originally intended to be. The discussion he had with Boss Nass was all done in post production and completely on the side of the main story. Fortunately this portion of the story has room for improvement with future editions because it's a post production element.

That being said; my guess is that Jar Jar served his purpose as a fall guy for the evil plans of the Emperor. Like Padme before him; his lack of insight was used against him to promote a line of logic against the Republic's best interests. I highly doubt he commanded any troops of any kind and was likely removed as Naboo's Senator once Padme survived the ordeal on Geonosis and resumed her duties in the Senate.

 

That being said; my guess is that Jar Jar served his purpose as a fall guy for the evil plans of the Emperor.

Or as a follow up to Alec Guineses' line in ANH, "Who's the greater fool, the fool or the fool that follows him"

 

So this is what it's come to? Wow, we really have run out of topics.

 

dont be so hasrh chozn,this is a new kind of social thread i think

 

JarJar command clone troopers to kill Jedi?




Nah!

For all the JarJar bashing, he was a simple fellow who wouldn't harm a fly.

He was harmless and like everyone else was a tool used by Palpatine.

 

So this is what it's come to? Wow, we really have run out of topics.




Not really. Jar-Jar was an important character in 1/6 of the sags. As such, he deserves his discussion.

 

maybe he does but with a decent topic

 

maybe he does but with a decent topic

Youre free to start one.

 

nope.i dont wanna start a topic about jar jar but if someone makes a topic like this in a non sarcastic way then he/she should be ready for all kind of replies