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Did Leia forgive her father?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Darth_Angelus, Jul 28, 2002.

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  1. Darth_Angelus

    Darth_Angelus Jedi Master star 3

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    I´ve read in my SW:E that just after the Battle of Endor, Anakin´s ghost appeared to Leia and asked her for forgiveness. Where exactly in the EU is that stated? And what was her reaction?
     
  2. DarthSikle

    DarthSikle Jedi Padawan star 4

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    i think it was in the Thrawn Trilogy

    Am i right guys?
     
  3. xie

    xie Jedi Knight star 5

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    It happens in Truce At Bakura by Kathy Tyers.

    She is angry at him, but eventually comes to terms with it. She even names her third child after him. And he is now dead. Thus the circle is compelte. :p
     
  4. Kreuzader

    Kreuzader Jedi Padawan star 4

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    More about Leia's coming to terms with what Anakin/Vader did will be in the upcoming novel Tatooine Ghost by Troy Denning.

    Keep in mind Vader tortured her, did nothing to save her adopted world, killed, maimed, and tortured her friends/family, and helped terrorize the galaxy as a whole. That's a lot of stuff to get over, and I'm glad it's getting addressed in a novel all to itself.
     
  5. Jacen_Solo3

    Jacen_Solo3 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    You also have to realize that Vader didn't know he even had children.
     
  6. FSPilot

    FSPilot Jedi Youngling

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    and that his hatred blinded him
     
  7. xie

    xie Jedi Knight star 5

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    You have a source for that? I think he just wasn't looking for his children, and she wasn't using the Force, so he didn't know.

    He didn't know about Luke until after his name was known for blowing up the DS.
     
  8. GRANDADMIRALAXLROSE

    GRANDADMIRALAXLROSE Jedi Knight star 7

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    not yet.

    AXL.
     
  9. Sara_Kenobi

    Sara_Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I'm not certain if Leia could ever forgive what Vader did to her. I think she has made peace with the memory of Anakin. But she has never thought of Anakin and Vader as the same person. That is how she's allowed herself acceptance to this point and not go mad at knowing it was her own father that hurt her and killed so many people, when he had the power not to do those horrible things, but prevent them.

    I can't wait for Tatooine Ghost, to see this more addressed. :)
     
  10. Darth_Angelus

    Darth_Angelus Jedi Master star 3

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    Can someone post some of their dialogue from TaB?
     
  11. -_-_-_-_-_-

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    What is the release date for Tatooine Ghost by Troy Denning? And what is the premise of it's plot?
     
  12. Major_Derek_Klivian

    Major_Derek_Klivian Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Can't you tell by reading the posts? Leia is on Tatooine, and deals w/ the legacy of her father. It comes out next February I belive.

    BTW, nice screenname. And TPM was the worst SW movie to date.
     
  13. Daughter_of_Yubyub

    Daughter_of_Yubyub Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    She forgave him every other book in the Bantam Era but always went right back to hating him. Was I the only one annoyed by this?
     
  14. Darth_Angelus

    Darth_Angelus Jedi Master star 3

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    Up!

    More to add this discussion, anyone have?
     
  15. Palp_Faction

    Palp_Faction Force Ghost star 4

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    At the end of T@B Leia discovered that it became easier to come to terms with her parentage with every system she could release from the tyranny of the Empire and her father's legacy. She must have eventually have forgiven Anakin but not Vader.
     
  16. wild_karrde

    wild_karrde Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    You also have to realize that Vader didn't know he even had children.

    That's doubtful, unless Padme gets pregnant like right before Ani becomes Vader and they skip 9 months at the end to show the twins being born.

    Odds are, since Ben never bothered hiding Luke's identity but he did Leia's, that means Ani knew Padme was pregnant, but not that she was pregnant with twins.
     
  17. maceskyoda1

    maceskyoda1 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I believe that she could never forget about the fact that her father tortuerd her and han. In the book she talks about how her feet we're burned and how han was so niev about how vader torured him.
     
  18. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    1st of all.

    Vader knows he has "a" child running around the galaxy somewhere, atleast he assumes it is still alive. He just doesn't pay much attention until after ANH, because know the kids a problem. In ESB, the Emperor refers to the "son of Skywalker" when talking to Vader. They BOTH knew who that was, so Vader was aware he had a child. Personally, I think Padme is gonna be pregnant when EP 3 begins.

    2nd, and more important.

    Leia fought the demons of her heritage much more through the years then Luke has. Leia didn't get to hear Anakin repent before his death in ROTJ. Because of this, she often sees little point in connecting to her father, except Luke continuously pressures her for years. Especially after her encounter with the Noghri in the thrawn trilogy, Leia begins to separate the identities of Anakin and Vader. The title "Lady Vader" originally made her skin crawl, but she has learned to cope with it as a term of Anakin's memory, not the Genocidal Lord of the Sith. She fails many times to come to terms with his memory, as I'm sure most would. I also think that this problem is enhanced because of her unwillingness to study the force. Since the force was so much of what made her father what he was, so she could learn alot from it. But the force is also what made him what she hated, so she continues to shy away from ever fully studying.
     
  19. JediMaster41589

    JediMaster41589 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Yes she did. She wasn't fazed when the noghri called her "lady Vader"

    Also, in Truce at Bakura, she said something like:"Watch this, father"
    I may be a little off but that doesn't sound like some one who hasn't forgiven her father
     
  20. Invid_Clone

    Invid_Clone Jedi Padawan star 4

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    She fails many times to come to terms with his memory, as I'm sure most would. I also think that this problem is enhanced because of her unwillingness to study the force.

    And then this is contradicted several times in the EU. In Dark Empire, for example, we had a Jedi Leia that's often non-existant in many of the novels, where we have a Politician Leia that often whines about the pressures of galactic leadership interferring with her exploring her Jedi legacy.

    I think she is afraid of this Jedi legacy, as she expressed once in the Corellian Trilogy (IIRC), where she was deadly afraid of the possibility of one or all of her children falling towards the Dark Side. Maybe she was also afraid of this possibility for herself, being Vader's daughter and having her father's passion and temper.

    Just like the Jedi Leia and Politico Leia fluctuate throughout the written EU, so do her feelings on her dead father. On one novel she says she's forgiven him; on another, not quite forgiven him if not outright hating him for what he did still. Realistically speaking -- biological father or not -- she'd have a hard time forgiving him: she only met the horror-show that was Darth Vader, never glimpsing the slightest spark of good that at the end flared up and redeemed him.
     
  21. Tiershon_Fett

    Tiershon_Fett Jedi Knight star 5

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    As much as she could.

    Anakin gave his life for Luke, but Leia never got anything but grief (but she did put herself in his way, and he didn't kill her as was ordered to), so she can't feel what Luke feels. We don't know what was communicated through the force between Anakin and Luke on the way to the shuttle bay. Probably a lot.

    Luke made peace, but he didn't spend his whole life in the same circles as Vader, either. Leia did. She saw the corruption of the Empire firsthand, and she didn't understand the force at all. She does sort of understand the way it controls things now.
    I get so angry that the authors of the NJO portay Leia as weak and pathetic because she didn't "finish her Jedi training" (I guess ruling the galaxy is no big deal at all) when it's so apparent she has a severe emotional block about it because of Vader. She is still afraid of him, even now. She does always try to come to terms with his humanity, but it's hard when people keep coming up to and saying, that stinkin father of your did...(fill in the blank). She would get mad again and so would you. She knows nothing of the cute, pug-nosed blonde kid and can't see him as anything but Vader. Which is human, because she never saw him in the flesh at all, just this big mean guy. It's a lot to take in. Since she is so compassionate, she probably feels the need to apologize for him and does it in the form of tireless public service.
     
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