Did ObiWan Stowing away on Padme's ship push Anakin past the point of no return?.

I ask this because up till this Point Anakin and ObiWan have been separated. And when they Parted Anakin made his heartfelt apology, and Him and ObiWan seemed to have parted on positive terms.I kinda took that scene as ObiWan accepting Anakin not just as a equal but possibly even a superior Jedi. I can't help but wonder if ObiWan made matters worse by Stowing away on Padme's ship , and making her an unwitting accomplise. and also making it look in Anakin's eyes , as though Padme had betrayed him , and brought Obi there to kill him.Because even though Padme could not get through to him, she never had the Master Pupil relationship that Anakin and Obi had. if there was anybody who could have been able to talk Anakin down from where he was, it would be ObiWan. And after they're last conversation , I would suspect that Anakin really does not wish ObiWan any harm, until he sees him come off the ship.he even say's "Don't make me kill you" to ObiWan. I believe based on that statement that Anakin could have still been saveable.

 

No, Anakin had already fully turned, and viewed all of the Jedi as evil. If Obi Wan had come to Mustafar by himself, and Padme didn't have anything at all to do with the situation, the same thing would have happened.

 

Well, Obi-Wan had little choice, he had to find Anakin, and Padme wasn't giving it away.

 

anakin was already creating lies to put him in a better light. he denied to padmae that he had killed younglings. he was already over the deep end. obi wan walking out of the ship turned him againt padmea. so in that respect your right. but he was not coming back and at that point he would have left padmea anywhy in his search for ultimate power.

 

I think it's far more drastic and dangerous; because i don't believe, for a second, that Anakin would've allowed Padme to just up and leave him on Mustafar.

Honestly, Obi Wan being there was a blessing.

- o_F

 

yeah I can agree with that.

 

back to the original post the only way obi and ani would not come to blows was if obi wan said he would serve sidious. anakins "don't make me kill you" was essentilly telling him if you don't support the sith you and I are through. but then damn it lucas has to go and throw that line in. sometimes, sometimes he drives me crazy.

 

he even say's "Don't make me kill you" to ObiWan

Anakin was merciless with the other Jedi, but this line gave me the impression that some part of Anakin still liked Obi-Wan (though he knew they couldn't be "friends" anymore) and that he might show him mercy (similar to Luke in ESB). There was good in him even at this point, but Obi-Wan couldn't see it.

Accusing Padme of betrayal, choking her, etc was all part of Anakin creating/using his rage to become more powerful. I don't think Obi-Wan showing up with her pushed Anakin over the brink. It just demonstrated that, to Anakin, power was more important than Padme.

 

I believe Obi's showing up on Mustafar did push Anakin over the last brink. Until then, Anakin trusted Padme, and then suddenly this surprise. Padme was the reason Anakin flipped in the first place, now he feels he lost her anyway, so there's nothing left for him other than the dark side. Also, Obi's presence forces a confrontation. Once that happens with his old master, there's no coming back.

 

Anakin was already force choking Padme before he knew Obi Wan was there, right?
I'd say he was already over the edge.

 

Was he already choking Padme? I only the saw the movie once, but I thought that Anakin seeing Obi provoked him to start choking Padme.

 

Anakin was already past the point of no return. Once Padme refused to join him, it was all a done deal. It was only lucky that Obi-Wan was there to rescue her and the children, because I think the real Anakin was already gone.

 

Lucky to save Padme and the kids? Obi-wan only endangered them just by being there because he caused Anakin to lose control and inflict some damage on Padme. Had Obi-wan not been there, Padme would've put some common sense into Anakin so that he might realise that he was wrong to help Sidious kill off the Jedi.

 

no she was telling him she could not walk down that path and all he could say was that love won't save her only his new powers could. he was drunk with power. he was out of control. before calling her a lier he says "because of obi wan?" he is assuming obi wants her for himself. he convinces himself obi wan wants padmae for himself. and she feels the same. he sees conspiricy where there is none.

 

Anakin get married, becomes a sith, kills an untold amount of Jedi, and then wipes out defenseless separatist before he ever sees Ob-wan. And finding out that he's there is suppose to be the straw that breaks the camel's back? Please

 

I'm pretty sure that he was already choking her, which is what prompted Obi Wan
to do his George Reeves pose at the top of the ramp, "Let her go, Anakin."
He was already too far gone. He'd turned on Mace. He'd slaughtered younglings.
He'd lusted for galactic power. He'd choked Padme. It was too late.
Consumed by Darth Vader, Obi Wan's apprentice had become.

 

he was not already choking her, she was just as suprised as anakin that obi wan was there. she says no, and anakin says you brought him here to kill me she says no, he chokes her.

 

From the first time I saw the film I had an inkling that there was an impression that Anakin felt that there was something going on between Obi-wan and Padme.

Thinking back to an earlier scene he also seems way out of shape in the scene where he feels that Obi-wan visited Padme earlier that morning.

Maybe it started with Obi-wans position on the back of the Reek in AOTC?

 

I don't think Obi sneaking on Padme's ship and any effect, because I think he was past the point of no return. HOWEVER, I do believe that ObiWan being gone when Anakin found out about Sidious DID drastically alter how things went down. Had he been there, who knows if things play out like they did.

 

Yes, now I remember. Obi was still at the top of the ramp when Anakin started the Force choke on Padme, but his presence caused it. However, I believe there's a good chance Anakin would have started choking Padme had Obi not been there. So, I'll back off on my first post on this one. Anakin probably was too far gone to ever come back by the time Padme and Obi landed on Mustafar. How do you bounce back from killing children?

 

Especially when you're trying to save your own. Irony.

 

Well said.

 

Had Obi-wan not been there, Padme would've put some common sense into Anakin so that he might realise that he was wrong to help Sidious kill off the Jedi.

Why would he realize that he was wrong when he himself wants to kill Sidious and rule the galaxy. Anakin has no intention of going back to the republic or the JEDI order considering he led the temple assault

 

He was obviously never past the point of no return...

 

Anakin's already on the point of no return. Padme's refusing to be a part of Anakin's world would still cause him to lash out at her.