Did Thrawn know about the coming Vong invasion?

I like the point about the society that Thrawn didn't understand, so he destroyed their home. The Vong are so foriegn that their artwork may not have made any sense to Thrawn.

Further, Thrawn never killed randomly. He always had a complex reason for his actions. Thrawn didn't rule through fear like the Emporer and Vader; he never recklessly wasted the lives of innocent people. Thrawn never used a Death Star, never killed his lieutenants like the Emporer or Vader. But Thrawn decided that this strange planet and it's society absolutely had to be destroyed. Why? Could they have been the harbingers of a dire threat that the Hand of Thrawn was intended to be used against?

A couple BTWs:

- The point was made that when DR picked up the series, Zahn's ideas got thrown out. That may be so, but we can' just dismiss them because publishers changed. As fans we have an obligation to figure out what happened in the intervening years. It's like the old Marvel No-Prize.

- Mara didn't destroy the Hand of Thrawn. It was still clearly standing as Luke and Mara left the planet. She may have disabled part of it, but it was designed to withstand far too much punishment to be destroyed by a single crashing spaceship. In fact, survivors of that incident have shown up in the NJO. For comparison, no one heard from Tarkin again after the destruction of the original Death Star.

 

Thrawn didn't rule through fear like the Emporer and Vader; he never recklessly wasted the lives of innocent people. Thrawn never used a Death Star, never killed his lieutenants like the Emporer or Vader.

What about the guy he had his terrifying alien bodyguard kill because he wasn't trained properly?

 

The difference is he didn't do it himself, while vader did things himself.

Seriously though he couldn't just throw him in kessel for a few years because then he would actually survive, but serving in a star destroyer, especially for the empire, meant your life insurance rates were going to be very high. If he didn't kill him then all the conscripts can "screw up", take a few years in kessel, and be free of the empire. By killing the guy though you give an example that mistakes are unexceptable. Besides the guy really was incompetant because of his lack of training and Thrawn clearly told that guy that this "mistake" better not happen again. Also in the next book when another guy failed in a similar situation he promoted him because he tried a new method. The guys first task was to figure out how to capture a ship in that situation. If Vader was there though he would have killed Captain Pealeon and every other captain that failed to capture ships would also be executed, but the real problem was the tractor beam crews and those poor captains would just keep on dying.

Plus there is the whole fact that Zahn only looked to the movies and maybe a few other sources. According to the movies killing officers on the bridge was exceptable.

To stay on topic though I don't think Thrawn knew of the Vong Invasion, or at least if he did know of it he wouldn't have begun a resurgence of the empire. He probably would have gathered evidence and then presented it to both governments and show them who the real ememy is.

 

He didn't know, otherwise he would have stomped it. Plain and simple, there wouldn't be a single Vong left. Don't forget, the only reason the NR won was because Thrawn was asasinated.

 

Thrawn was a barbarian! A smart one but he was a barbarian. He attacked barbarians the chiss left alone, thinking he would find glory in it. Furthermore in VotF we learn his Phelenxe would follow him to the ends of the universe, thus Thrawn could manipulate everyone he controlled!

 

In this little excerpt from the first Thrawn trilogy... I always thought they were refering to a lava lamp, and it was some sort of joke to say Thrawn destroyed Earth...

"Understood sir", Pellaeon said. "With your permission, I'll get the Chimaera underway." He turned to go--
And paused. Halfway across the room, one of the sculptures had not disappeared with the others. Sitting all alone in it's globe of light, it slowly writhed on it's pedestal like a wave in some bizarre alien ocean. "Yes," Thrawn said from behind him. "That one is indeed real." "it's ...very interesting, "Pellaeon managed. The sculpture was strangely hypnotic.
"Isn't it?" Thrawn agreed, his voice sounding almost wistful. "It was my one failure, out on the Fringes. The one time when understanding a race's art gave me no insight at all into it's psyche. At least not at the time. Now, I believe I'm finally beginning to understand them."
"I'm sure that will prove useful in the future," Pellaeon offered diplomatically.
"I doubt it", Thrawn said, in the same wistful voice. "I wound up destroying their world."
Pellaeon swallowed. "Yes, sir," he said, starting again for the door. He winced only a little as he passed the sculpture.


seems like a funny thing to me

 

LOL G_A_X!

anyways, i would have to agree that the vong we see seem to have no clue about the chiss, and vice-verse. however, in the hand of thrawn duology i believe luke and mara describe the damage done to the compound as looking like it had been eaten by some monster and not shot with any type of weapons familiar to them. putting two and two together, i would conclude that, many eons ago, the vong had indeed launched an attack into the unkown reagions and it was the stories and memories of this attack that promted the chiss and thrawn to see such a need to secure themselves and keep up an extremely well trained and talented military...

 

Well I don't know if he did or didn't know, but if he did know the Vong were coming he coulda atleast warned Palleon right?

Ya know left a datacard with the message:
"To Capt. Palleon
In the event of my death. Read this and prepare for a viscious enemy that call themselves the Yuzhan Vong...Yadda yadda yadda.
Oh by the way I promote you to the station of Admiral starting now.
Grand Admiral Thrawn."

 

If Thrawn had known abou the Vong he would have stomped them first, so the issue of the size of the fleet is moot.

Thrawn knew how to prioratize.

1) Relativly organised Goverment, sworn enemies. Currently in stalemate. Civilived.

2) Mad, Xenocidal, obsessivly religios alians bent on the destruction of the known galaxy.

Which would you fight first?

 

If Thrawn had known abou the Vong he would have stomped them first, so the issue of the size of the fleet is moot.

Thrawn knew how to prioratize.

1) Relativly organised Goverment, sworn enemies. Currently in stalemate. Civilived.

2) Mad, Xenocidal, obsessivly religios alians bent on the destruction of the known galaxy.

Which would you fight first?

 

I suppose Thrawn knew of the short, green radio-active humans which called themselves yoda's as well...

 

That is actually possible, depending on how far back Thrawn has studied art, and his age.

IF they had entered through the Unknown Regions, the Yuuzhan Vong would have steam rollered right over the Chiss without so much as a 'by your leave', since by comparison, they're not nearly as advanced as the Empire or the New Republic.

Yes, but what we do know, is that the Chiss are hyper-honorable warriors. In thus, they'd be fighting with what little they have, forming a resistance, and knocking the Yuzzie's teeth out.

And technology doesn't mean everything. I mean, Ewoks beat stormtroopers, right?

 

And technology doesn't mean everything. I mean, Ewoks beat stormtroopers, right?

Yes, but the Ewoks had the advantage of surprise and numbers. The Vong would have had the same advantage over the Chiss.

 

yub, yub stormtroopers.

 

Jace...
"And technology doesn't mean everything. I mean, Ewoks beat stormtroopers, right?"
Irrelevent, Thrawn and the Chiss certainly are no Ewoks. Ewoks could possibly beat the Vong. The Chiss? No way.

 

If Thrawn had known abou the Vong he would have stomped them first, so the issue of the size of the fleet is moot.

In VOTF we learn that part of Thrawn's reason for conquring the NR was to gather all of the fleets under one banner to face this incredibly powerful and foreign enemy; and even then Thrawn was unsure of victory.

but if he did know the Vong were coming he coulda atleast warned Palleon right?

Thrawn thought he was coming back from the dead. Remember he set his 'clone timer' for ten years. He didn't think he had to give up his secrets because he'd relearn them himself.

He might have been very useful in learning information about the Vong tactics, but so would any other Grand Admiral.

I think you're really selling Thrawn short here. Palpatine hated non-humans and yet he gave Thrawn one of the highest positions of power and most important autonomous task. Thrawn wouldn't have gotten that positon if he were just as good as other Grand Admirals; he'd have to be remarkably better.

...Ewoks...

I have to admit that Thrawn would not be a match for Wicket...and heaven help the Yuhzan Vong if they ever land on Endor.

 

Quite clearly does Baron Fel mention that the "Coming Darkness" is coming from the Unknown Regions.

We've established that the Vong are not from the Unknown Regions, nor did they pass through the UR to get where they are.

There's your answer.

(Edited for typo)

 

Yes, but Thrawn was still with the Chiss during the Yuuzhan Vong incursion around the time of Rogue Planet. Wasn't he?

Also if Thrawn was still with the Chiss at that time, he could have easily defeated them. He did that with Doriana's Fleet and Outbound Flight.

Also another theory, that alien race that he couldn't conquer, could it be Zonoma Sekot that he destroyed?

Sekot could have put the Hand of Thrawn facility through it's paces.

Another point is that the Chiss themselves or a rogue group of them somehow made thier way to the planet Hijarna and build that inpenatrable structure there.

 

Thrawn thought he was coming back from the dead. Remember he set his 'clone timer' for ten years. He didn't think he had to give up his secrets because he'd relearn them himself.


Wrong, Thrawn was never that assuming, he had made clones to protect the Imp when it was done. He never expected to die and didn't want to.

I think it's very clear the chiss did not know about the Vong. They didn't concern themselves outside their 28 systems.

Thranws Phelenxe didn't either, as I said earlier, they just pick on barbaric tribes.

 

The impression I get from Ruin is that the Chiss's (seemedly extremly large/powerful) military was tied up fighting some other alien force in the UR. Even if he knew about them, the Vong were 16 years from the edge of the galaxy when he died (for the first time), so how could he have crushed them, even if he had been able to gather the forces nessecary.

Which part of the Galaxy is Rouge Planet set in?

 

The impression I get from Ruin is that the Chiss's (seemedly extremly large/powerful) military was tied up fighting some other alien force in the UR. Even if he knew about them, the Vong were 16 years from the edge of the galaxy when he died (for the first time), so how could he have crushed them, even if he had been able to gather the forces nessecary.

Which part of the Galaxy is Rouge Planet set in?

RP is set in the GFFA aproximetly 50 years before the NJO, when the Vong first enter the GFFA>

 

Zonoma Sekot is located in the Tingel Arm just past the Corporate Sector.