Lit Do you like the new canon?

Probably right since even at this point i consider TFA and TLJ to be just one long super movie that's 4 hours long at the end of the day.

I will say the ST has more what I call "Trickle Down Continuity" compared to the Anthologies Bottom up approach.

Also since i have no shame if you want to here me discuss more in depth bout my feelings about the connection I suggest watching a podcast i did with a few friends on the topic

 

I can't consider the ST Saga films to be special, since LFL dropped the episode numbers.

 

Numbers, Zeta? Numerals, dear fellow, numerals.

 

...what?

Like, I get not enjoying the ST. I don't agree, but I understand that position.

But I just don't understand this.

 

My point is, with the removal of the episode numbers/numerals, the ST Saga films aren't being treated as a part of a larger saga.

 

Except that... They are?

Age of Ultron is a sequel to Avengers even though it doesn't have "2" in the title.

 

MCU isn't the Star Wars Saga, they are a series of loosely connected films that dropped episode numbers/numerals after IM3, with GotG2 being the one exception.

 

There's Avengers.

Then there's Avengers: Age of Ultron.

I get that the whole series of MCU films is a big loose conglomerate of interconnected materials. But there are still dedicated series of films set in a chronological order within that mass. Captain America has three films. Thor has three films. Ant Man has two films. Etc. Ant Man and the Wasp is a pretty direct sequel to Ant Man, but it has no number.

The number is largely meaningless if it's clear that one movie is a continuation of the story of another. It's just semantics.

 

Perhaps they're referring to the Blu-Rays, where the episode numbers have been completely removed from cover and disk.

...which is dumb.

 

There are parts of legends that i enjoy more then canon yet theres stuff from canon that think did better then legends

 

I like our heroes fighting Space Nazis over Space Aztecs.

It's more relevant.

 

Preferring the eu over the films is no weirder than preferring the MCU over the Marvel comics. The original medium can always be surpassed.

 

the first order i don't have a problem with i wasn't a huge Vong guy but its not like i didn't see what people liked about them, i am force guy thats who i am

 

I mean the real world implications I get. But fun villains are fun, even if it doesn't say anything about the modern world. And they already fought the Empire so it's kriffing boring!

 

The Separatists were kind of a bomb so it's better to fight the Empire fanboyz Club.

 

I'll backpedal an inch: Neo-Imperials would be interesting. But that's not the First Order. The First Order is played so straight you might as well call them the Empire. Hux was pretty different, but what else? In TFA Starkiller Base is no different from the Empire's tactics in the OT, leading to a battle just like the OT. The FO would be interesting if they were different, but they act just like the Empire. Their dynamic with the Resistance is just like Empire v. Rebels. They're a clone of an enemy we already saw defeated. Starkiller Base was so boring to me because we already saw the Death Star and we know how to defeat it. Supreme Leader Snoke is Palpatine. These things aren't deconstructions or commentaries on the Empire; they're just continuations.

 

I am curious how you could do that and would be interested in what the differences would be on screen.

 

In terms of tactics, make them a Resistance. They should be the underdogs. A reduced Empire vs the NR in power. You would see the OT's conflict from the other side. Fighting an invisible enemy. We've already had the running from a massive empire plot. Switch it. Ideology wise, I believe you've compared the First Order with real life Neo-Nazi's, right? Start there. If we're going to bring the Empire back, we need to show how they're different. Show us the politics. Show us how they're fanboys. Show us how they don't understand the history. The ST seems like they don't care about the motivations of the FO.

 

If a galaxy conquering FO isn't threatening, then how could an underdog FO be threatening. It would still be run by children.

 

The irony being that the ST, more than the PT or OT, requires fans to read a wider range of material to understand what's going on.

 

to butcher that quote
"if you want a vision of star wars, imagine space rebels fighting space nazis, forever"
doesn't sound terribly fun tbh, space aztecs are at least something new, the execution might not have been the best, but at least it didn't just retreat a story already done

 

Solo and R1 are also part of said saga, but they aren't Saga films. But what difference is Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Star Wars: Rogue One?

 

One of them is a direct continuation and the other isn't?

And, as @Jedi Princess pointed out, The Force Awakens is literally marked as Episode 7.

 

A New Hope directly continues out of Rogue One.