Does Grievous have a mouth and/or vocal cords?

All right, that was a good one.

Still, I hold the cyborg clown is no longer "human" or whatever his species looked like. He only has a his brain and few organs left, berefting him of genuine sight, smell and no taste. He probably rests instead of sleeping, and is meant to forerunner Vader to audiences, I think.

 

What?

Assuming you mean his internal organs, then I would assume not. If they went through the trouble of pressurizing the gut sack, then it seems they made Grievous ready for anything.

 

Except for a fourty-something year old Jedi dangling a hundred feet on a plat form shooting him in the gut with his own blaster.

 

Well, Obiwan did pull open his chest protector, twice I think, to be able to get a shot at Greeve's sac. And normally no one would be able to get close enough to Greeves to be able to pull that open. Obiwan is the exception because of the strange nature of the how the conflict became hand-to-metal, between the two.

 

Maybe the ROTS Mon Mothma.

Anyways, how did my thread become corrupted into an Excellence gibber-fest?

 

He posted.

There's no saving it after that.

 

You should see what McEwok did to my Ewok/Threepio thread.

 

They're like King Midas, except instead of gold everything they touch turns to shizzle.

 

There's nothing wrong with envy so long as you scowl properly. And I did balance wit with contributory imput.

 

Obi Wan's abnormal strength is as dubious as Grievous's armored body being (which is made supposedly outve Cortosis steel ore) bent and severed like cheap plastic and aluminum as the film portrayed.

Also even if his gutsack was in a glass bottle,his eyes where exposed in every scene,so in space he wouldve imploded-exploded.Yes its fantasy as alot of their space battles are Ludicrous ect, but it should be kept to be made atleast within the realms of believability and not be made to insult the audience intelligence with its blatant stupidly.

The choking/coughing was dumb as the only thing connecting his lungs to his eyes where a few wires,that if damaged couldve easily been repaired in the shop . But why go to all the trouble of retaining/replicating his original vocal sounds,after they incased him in the Cyborg body,as Vader's was changed,nah just wouldnt happen. Also Grievous's character portrayal is completely at odds with his Comic/cartoon buildup...Grievous was little more than a stock throwaway character and mainly comic releif with 0 combat/tactical skill. Retcons are B.S ,made to correct Lucas's botch jobs,mistakes and goofs.

 

No, you turned the thread into a cesspool of diahhrea and Sadow's panties.

Good points. Perhaps Obi-Wan was relying on the force for strength, and maybe there's some sort of completely transparent lenses over Grievous' eyes and surrounding flesh?

 

Could be Force enhanced strength. Could also be that those were designed to open to service his innards, and all Obi-Wan did was force open the hinges.. That sounded dirty

Meh.

Unless it wasn't wires but a throat. Or if it was wires and tubes, then if his LUNGS were damaged, or the system keeping him breathing were, then it would cause him to cough. Could they be fixed? Probably, but if you watched the CW cartoon, then you'll see that his condition was aggravated by Mace Windu on the planet, so there was really no time.

Because maybe Grievous didn't need a voicebox. His injuries were different from Anakin's.

 

Look it took a post ROTS windu retcon to explain that comical needless cough.

Force Strenght mustve abandoned Obi Wan ,when he was being choked down by Anakin's one robotic hand at the end of the film.Nor could he pull himself up off that ledge before Grievous turned around to finish him off.

If Grievous didnt have his original voice box,then why the cough? He has no cardio nor mouth,nor would even exert himself as he has no physical body lef,he's a powered machine..why even keep the lungs when all they had to do was retain the brain in the cyborg/android body?!

In all the shots he has no transparent lens on the eyes.Obi wan couldve even poked him in his big eyes many times like the 3 stooges.

The major problem is again his armor,and its magically unarmored gutsack,as the only thing separating his needless vitals are 2 paper thin metal plates and tempered glass...I mean a piece of shrapnel at any time could easily penetrated his exposed chest,as he had basically no protection as the toons/comics/toys show him having.And if the Windu damage was that bad,he should went to the repair shop and doubled his armor.

 

He had his original throat. Probably his voice box, too. Definitely his lungs. How well they all worked, especially given the fact that they had little remaining biological protection, is another matter.

 

I think it is important to recognize that we know next to gornisht about Kaleesh physiology at this point, so all of this is pure speculation and late-night madness...

From all the records I can find of the good General, there appear to be no other biological components left other than his brain, his spinal cord, his eyes, and his "guts." The Visual Dictionary establishes that Grievie's brain and eyes have been technologically altered, but they are still biological in part. The same source states that his spinal cord is still intact. For all we know, the "skin" visible around his eyes could be synthetic but modeled on his former skin. Perhaps even his eyelids are sythetic. That could explain why his eyes didn't flash freeze in space. "And what of the mucus around his eyes?", you ask. I postulate that it is just one of the side effects, defense mechanisms, or rejections of his biological parts to his mechancal/synthetic parts.

I also posit that either 1) Kaleesh physiology does not require respiration as we know it (meaning oxygenated blood nourishing vital regulatory organs like the brain through traditional intake and exhalation of air) or 2) the rebuilding of General Grievous included some alternate, hidden or subtle form of respiration (perhaps because his respiratory infrastructure was too badly damaged).

Why?

The novelization states twice that Grievous does not need to breathe.

Therefore, if this is to be taken literally, his brain and organs must be nourished in some other fashion; either through some means other than traditional respiratory transfer of oxygen or through a respiratory process that does not include obvious intake and exhalation of air.

So how does one explain the coughing and wheezing so clearly heard on RotS? One "out-universe" answer is George (or maybe Ben Burt) thought it added character and/or a prefigure of Vader's regulated breathing.

But what of the in-universe answer?

If one believes that the General does not need to breathe because he either never had (due to Kaleesh physiology) or no longer has (due to his "accident") functioning lungs (thus no trachea, vocal cords, etc.), the coughing and wheezing could be explained away as "translated feedback" caused by the side effects, defense mechanisms, or rejections of his biological parts to his mechancal parts (especially after Mace Windu crushes him twice - once with a STAP and then with the Force).

However, if one believes that Matthew Stover was being figurative (or artistically indirect) with (or if one chooses to ignore or dismiss) the two statements that Grievie doesn't need to breathe (perhaps Stover meant "breathing as Grievous used to know it" or "at that moment"), there are hoses that lead from the General's "gut sac" to his head. It is possible that GG actually does have respiratory organs, does respirate in some form or fashion, and, either due to the interplay between biological and mechanical or due to the results of Mace's attacks, Grievous does actually wheeze and cough.

While structurally I don't see the room for a fully intact trachea, voice box, and mouth (to form words) in Grievous' head and neck construction, it is possible that the necessary biological mechanisms are present in the "gut sac", that the breathing happens separate from the speech generation (much like Vader's), and/or that the seemingly related-by-physiology breathing/wheezing/coughing and talking are actually (subconscious or programmed) coincidences.

The Making of RotS includes this concept/production art of GG's guts:

Click Here (I couldn't get the image markups to work for some reason.)

Who knows, there could be the requisite Kaleesh organs in there for breathing and speech generation (at least partially), and General Grievous could actually be coughing, wheezing, and talking while his vocabulator is there to support and/or augment his still-intact ability to speak.

Thoughts?

 

I'd always interepreted the stuff in the novelization as saying that Grievous doesn't need to breathe the way Vader doesn't need to breathe. Their respiration takes place within a local pressurized environment, but it still happens. And for the coughing to have the effect it has on Grievous' head, one of those tubes has to be a trachea, either real or manufactured.

 

Well, actually his armor is armorplast.

It's been posted in this thread that the eyes were covered.

Considering Grievous is Lucas' character to begin with, if anything the cartoon got Grievous wrong.

 

Yeah, I though the retcon was stupid, not because I hate retcons, but because I thought it was a pretty weak excuse to turn Grievous' character into what Tartakovsky wanted him to be, rather than what GL made him to be.

It's apparent from Vader's breathing that SW technology is not so advanced as to be able to fully restore someone. As in real life, life support tech isn't magical and perfect. So it comes as no surprise to me that someone who's literally "more machine, now, than man" has some sort of trouble breathing. It would appear that he has his old voicebox. If not, then is it not possible that Grievous' cough is a side effect of his real lungs struggling to work with the mechanical apparatus keeping him alive?

 

So does he eat then? Or get nutrients transferred in intravenously?

 

Maybe.

 

I assume when the Grievous story in Insider finally releases, this will all be sorted out. And maybe that's why they haven't released it yet, because of some stupid retcon like this.

Now I am even more interested in learning about Kaleesh physiology and exactly what changes were made to Grievous.

 

Abel said they pushed it back so it could have some original art by Joe Corroney, not a rewrite.

 

Thank you for that correction. I'm still impatient though.

 

<<It's apparent from Vader's breathing that SW technology is not so advanced as to be able to fully restore someone. >>

Vader's Cyborg body was designed to be a supposedly heavy tomb though according to the backstory,and he retained somehthing like 80% of his human body,while Grievous was just partial head/brain and heart and lungs.

 

Someone explain to me how organs under pressure can even work?

Lungs need to expand to take in O2, the heart beats and the muscles in it expand and contract.

If Grevious' gut sack is indeed under pressure, his organs wouldn't even work.