Does Palpatine have a higher MIDICLORIAN count than Anakin?

Qui-Gon Jinn states that Anakin has a higher Midiclorian count than ANY Jedi.

Obviously Palpatine never had a blood test to determine Midichlorian count, so as he defeated the Jedi, and as he was the Master, and Anakin merely was the Apprentice, would that mean that it is strongly possible to argue that Palpatine has a HIGHER Midichlorian count than Anakin?!

(Moderator Darth_Dagsy believes that this thread belongs in this forum, rather than Star Wars Saga)

 

Actually its arguable that Palpatine might have defeated the Jedi Knighthood even without his Sith Lord powers, provided of course he could hide his presence (if he were a void like Granta Omega) and intentions.

Palpatine certainly was a powerful Dark Side master and the Dark Side if you can feed its raging appetite (and Palpatine certainly did with his many 'sacrifices' to it) will give you much more "base" power than the Light Side.

BUT...Anakin in my mind had a higher midi-cloreine count.

Palpatine's main weapon was his mind and lies rather than his "electrocute stuff" power. I do think he was the most powerful Sith of all time though with probably an extraordinarily high one...maybe as high as Yodas

 

Anakin, no question. Otherwise wouldnt it have been Palpatine who brought balance to the Force ?

 

[Qui-Gon] No, I'm afraid not. [/Qui-Gon]

 

The force itself "created" Anakin to outbalance Palpatine´s influence/power.

So yes, the later emperor should be at least as powerful as Anakin.

And i agree, that Palpatine´s most dangerous weapon isn´t his strenght in the force, but his power of the mind.

 

I think Anakin had a raw potential in the Force greater than anybody else. After all he was conceived by it.
Palpatine was just cunning und powerful enough to cut Anakin short before he could ever reach his full potential and managed to enslave his mind in a way he could keep it that way.
A fully empowered, fully matured (Jedi Master) Anakin in an all out force-battle would have kicked Palpatines ass. And Yodas for that matter.

 

After all he was conceived by it.

Isn't that really conjecture and supposition? We don't know how he was conceived, only that there was no father. It could have been artificial insemination for all we know.

 

"I can't explain what happened."

That rules out insemination.

 

After being turned into third base, I think Halla has more...

Just kidding. He must be pretty strong. I'd say equal or slightly less. Anakin is destined to kill him.

 

Shmi: All I know is I went out to a big party, lots of drugs, booze, and the like. So it was a long night of partying, Gardulla was there, and others... Last thing I remember I'm waking up with a hangover, and a huge case of Morning Sickness... Few days later, I know I'm pregnant for sure... But beyond knowing I was pregnant, "I can't explain what happened."

 

Well, you're working under the assumption that midiclorians exist, which I refuse to believe do. Anyway, yes, Palpatine is more powerful than Vader, otherwise the wouldn't be the Master.

 

"One method of detection is through blood sampling -- those with great Force potential often have high midi-chlorian counts in their bloodstream."-starwars.com

According to that information, it means someone with great force pontential may not have a high midi count, but it is often the case that someone with great force potential, will have high midi-chlorian counts.

 

Screw midi-chlorians. Everyone hates them, and GL will never use them again. They have appeared nowhere else but TPM, so I think it's safe to say that no one gives the idea of midi-chlorians any serious credit.

 

I still say the reason he put them in in the first place was to attempt to shut folks up who kept asking the same question over and over again. "Why can some folks use the Force and others can't?" I can't think of the exact number of times I've done that little skit about Lucas's discussion with an obssessed fan asking the question over and over, but it certainly shows my belief as to why he came up with the stupid "scientific" reason and my feelings on what happens after.

 

"I can't explain what happened."

That rules out insemination.

If she did not know what artificial insemination was (how good is a slave's education), then she could not explain it.

Besides, what if she was inseminated without her knowledge - mad scientist, Palpatine, or whoever knocked her out and knocked her up.

 

That sounds like just the thing an evil sith lord will do

 

Screw midi-chlorians. Everyone hates them, and GL will never use them again. They have appeared nowhere else but TPM, so I think it's safe to say that no one gives the idea of midi-chlorians any serious credit.

They also appear in Rogue Planet.

And please, avoid making sweeping statements like "Everyone hates them." and "No one gives the idea any serious credit." when you know its not true.

Still don't understand why everyone gets so worked up about them.

It doesn't say 1) They are the force 2) They cause the force.

 

"It doesn't say 1) They are the force 2) They cause the force."

Uh....yes....they do. The main problem with midiclorians is that the idea of an all powerful, all encomposing entity known as the Force is based off of tiny micro organisms, meaning that they can be artificially removed/added, and that it seems unlikely that rocks, air, etc have bloodstreams in which the midiclorians are found.

 

Essentially they are just a symbiote that happens to be force sensetive. I don't see what too much of the problem is really

admittadly it may preclude force sensetive rocks but...

 

They don't cause the Force to exist -- they just happen to be present in someone's bloodstream. The idea lacks any credibility whatsoever, and most fans do not consider it canon, regardless of what is in the movies.

For all we know, Qui-Gon could've been drunk when he said that. It was well known that Qui-Gon was basically a maverick within the Jedi Order, holding some fairly radical ideas.

 

The problem is it's a scientific explination to explain some of the mysticism and in the process actually does away with some of it. Before it was always "We'll know one knows just why some are born with the chance to use the Force and others are not." That was far more intresting because it added an element of mystery, that "Wow, I wonder what exactly makes them so special that they could be born like that." Now we've got a symbiotic relationship where it's clear a high count of midichlorians means one is born with the chance to use the Force. Some of the mystery and wonder is lost because we can instantly say what makes them so special without being told. And it leads to "What's going to be scientifically explained next? Jedi mind tricks actually being midichlorians some how communicating with those in the targets body and convincing them to make the target believe what you want? Midichlorians communicating with organisms living in the air convincing them to give the Force-user a little boost when jumping or actually banning together in a large concentration to lift or push objects?"

 

And this is precisely why I don't consider it canon.

I believe Force sensitivity is the result of natural spiritual and mental attunement to the Force.

 

and most fans do not consider it canon, regardless of what is in the movies.



And how would you know what "most" fans think?

 

Uh, by talking to them?

 

Possibly.

Or midi count is to Jedi what IQ is to humans.

Neither makes one a better person or Jedi, it just says they have greater potential or inteligence, but neither says anything about how that intelligence or potential may be directed, used or developed.

I see midi counts as one measurement of a Jedi amongst many, not the be all and end all.

JB