Dooku vs. Darth Vader

I'd have to go with Vader on cool points alone.

Dooku vs. Anakin:Anakin,he was winning the first duel until he stuck his arm like a moron.

You must have seen an alternate version of 'Clones than I did because in the one I saw...Anakin looked like a novice compared to Dooku.

Anakin started that fight with 2 sabers...Dooku destroyed one of them. Then he cuts off Anakin's arm. In no way shape or form was Anakin ever in control of that fight.

 

Some pretty good quotes coming out here...

Dooku vs. Anakin: Anakin,he was winning the first duel until he stuck his arm like a moron.

I didn't think so either. He was just too arrogant in that battle, too overconfident, too angry...

I agree. plus dooku has a better light saber that will let him swing faster.

Yep, I'll agree to that. It has a nice grip, easier to put in fencing positions.

The original post said nothing about restricting it to a duel of lightsabers.

Correct. I didn't say anything about fighting with sabers only, although that's what usually ends up happening! Just look what happened after Dooku kicked Anakin's butt... Yoda and Dooku started out duking it out with Force Powers, but it was the lightsaber that broke the tie.

 

Just because Vader has grevious injuries that make him reliant on his suit doesn't necessarily cripple him in a fight. His mechanical limbs are actually boons in fighting. Not only do they likely make him more powerful than he would be without them, but they also preserve his strength - since they are mechanical prosphetics, his muscles don't atrophy and grow weaker as his grows older. The only thing Vader really stands in danger of from Dooku is Dooku's lightning.

 

Vader has the robotic arm thing going for him.

 

Darth Vader easily.
I notice someone said earlier that Vader lost to an untrained boy. Darth Vader never tried once in the Original Trilogy.I feel he toyed with Luke in TESB and Obi-Wan in ANH. In RotJ he did not want to kill Luke.

 

I think Vader would have a problem with the Force lightning. But that doesn't mean he'll lose.

His defeat at Luke's hands wasn't quite fair. At the time, Vader was in conflict: he never channeled his anger. Luke, on the other hand, was just feeding off of it at the time.

If Vader were matched against Dooku again, he would have an immense hatred for him, and would be a far more formidable warrior than against his own son. Dooku won't have the same emotional incentive to defeat Vader, because he had already beaten Anakin.

 

Vader would win. No contest.

Vader is more powerful than Dooku in every way.

Vader lost to Luke because Luke was his son, and thus Luke inherited his great power. Anakin had way more power potential than Dooku, but Dooku was able to beat him in AOTC because Dooku was much more experienced and focused.

 

Darth Vader could easily smite Count Dooku!

Mortimer_Nerdly!

 

I'm sure Vader knew all about Force lightning and could have deflected it like Obi Wan did against Dooku.

Why Vader is viewed as a wild swining idiot I'lll never know. When he fought with Luke in ESB he showed a variety of lighsaber styles. His first few trades with Luke were one handed fencing movements that were rather gracefully done I might add.

If Luke had not been related to Vader, Darth would have killed him with little effort. That is not to say Luke had not become quite good by ROTJ despite Lucas's "untrained boy" comment.

 

You guys don't even think that Dooku would have a chance against Vader. Come on. I know Vader was in three movies and you guys are more comfortable with him, but remember that Dooku was at the top when all the Jedi were in abundance and went head to head with Yoda. And that is after he took out ANAKIN and OBI. Don't be so quick to argue in Vader's favor. In fact, we don't even know how Dooku dies. It might be because someone gets lucky or because he gets betrayed.

 

Well, I have a feeling Anakin will get his revenge....

I think Vader would have just whupped Dooku's butt clear to the Seven Hells of Corellia.

Let's look at how they fight for instance, lightsaber wise. Vader hardly moves his wrist when parrying an attack. He just stands there, and it's like he's invincible. In ESB, he was holding the saber one handed at times. Dooku can move as quick as he wants, but Vader will know where he is, the dark side flows stronger in the Lord of the Sith...

 

Come on, look who Vader was fighting ESB. He fought Luke, who had never been in a light saber fight and who had relatively no training at all. Dooku fought Obi, a respected Jedi who had already destroyed a Sith, Anakin, and Yoda. I don't think this is a worthy comparison. Dooku would have made Luke look just as foolish.

 

Yes, but once again he toyed with Luke. I think Anakin will destroy Dooku in EPIII.

 

-i read in an interview given by lucas himself that dooku dominates the first third of the fight (anakin w/two sabers) its a draw the second third (when they fight in the dark) and that anakin dominates the flow of the fight the last third part (right after they stop fighting in the dark) until he gets careless and dooku's experience and savy results in him getting his arm cut off.
-we don't know what happens in epIII, anakin might indeed kill dooku in a dead up fight
-i really don't understand all these people calling vader a cripple. dude has the best cybernetic implants money can buy. in esb, he deflects han's blaster shots and then force pulls han's blaster with what is i believe a cybernetic hand. so the cybernetics have nothing to do with impeding his practice of the force. vader is no cripple.

 

I would say the following. The argument that Anakin is "the Chosen One" is invalid because we've no indication that requires any kind of special pwoers (in fact, it didn't, anybody can push someone over a rail). While the high midichlorian count is a bit better argument, we know that midichlorian counts are only potential power. And since we've no way of knowing how much of that power is realized, we can't say for sure whether Anakin/Vader is conclusively stronger than Dooku.

In terms of throwing things, Dooku did just as much in AOTC, he was just fighting someoen that knew how to throw back. His lightsaber fighting style is cleaner, quicker, and overall more skilled than Vaders in the OT. I would have to say that Dooku would win.

As for the gentelman that said Dooku would be Palpatine's apprentice if he was strogner, do I need to point out that Dooku was Palpatine's apprentice in AOTC???

 

" He fought Luke, who had never been in a light saber fight and who had relatively no training at all. "

Luke inherited Anakin's midi-chlorian count, though, and thus was powerful as hell.

 

Just what I was going to say!

 

If Vader were matched against Dooku again, he would have an immense hatred for him, and would be a far more formidable warrior than against his own son. Dooku won't have the same emotional incentive to defeat Vader, because he had already beaten Anakin.

How does that make any difference to them fighting. I may not have a hatred to my sister but I'll fight her. Vader's just an old cripple man with a lightsaber and cool breathing.

 

Exactly Forcemaster101.

 

I would not go as far as to say that Vader is a cripple, but after watching Vader in the sequels his agility and striking movements do not equal Dooku's. Vader stands there like a piece of metal. Watch Dooku's movements and his crisp strikes against Obi-won and Anakin. He definately does not look like an old man who is crippled. I know much of this owed to better camera work and new technology, but his fighting skills look really sharp.

 

I would not go as far as to say that Vader is a cripple, but after watching Vader in the sequels his agility and striking movements do not equal Dooku's. Vader stands there like a piece of metal. Watch Dooku's movements and his crisp strikes against Obi-won and Anakin. He definately does not look like an old man who is crippled. I know much of this owed to better camera work and new technology, but his fighting skills look really sharp.

You can't say his moves are sharp. He could barely see Obi-Wan through the helmet. Wait...he can barely see period. When he took off the helmet in ROTJ his head looked like crunched up gray Cherrios. You are right on one point. He does stand there like a piece of metal.

 

comparing vader in the OT with the style of fighting in the prequels is not fair. why didn't lucas use the same lame styles of lightsaber combat in the prequels? cuz something better came around. if the OT were to be remade then the lightsaber duels would be much more exciting i believe
-anybody here read shadows of the empire? remember when vader fights those droids, which are apparently the most deadly fighter droids in the galaxy and he bests all of them?
-what about mace? his style isn't flashy but from what we read it is deadly. maybe vader doesn't need to spin and dance around, he uses economy of movement
-once again, people call darth a cripple. can he survive outside of his suit? no. however, i have read in a number of credible star wars publications (like the wotc sourcebook for the rpg, the visual dictionary, and even the ccg) that vader is a cunning warrior. the sourcebook calls him "...the deadliest warrior of his generation..."
-dooku is no slouch and he might even be able to take vader at his peak, who knows. but how can people discount the power that being the chosen one has? how is this possible? he is supposed to have more force ability than anyone, period, you can watch the movies if you don't believe that is said. i don't understand how people just ignore facts that are stated in the movie, which is always the high law in the star wars galaxy
-we also have to remember that these are not events taking place in a vacuum. sometimes, the guy who should win doesn't cuz it is not in line with the story.
-i think dooku vs. vader is a better match than maul vs. vader.
-i think all this talk about people doubting vaders/anakins power will be put to rest in epIII. if lucas does not produce, i'll be really pissed.
-once again, lucas stated that anakin gives dooku a run for his money, and rick mc callum said that in his brief fight with dooku is really the place where we see anakin show a flash of the brilliance and power that he has

 

Yes everybody loves Anakin. But we are talking about Vader here. He may be the same person but Anakin is the man and Vader is the cripple. When Anakin just turns to Vader and is in his prime then he is a great warrior. Vader could be the greatest warrior of HIS TIME but not in Dooku or Yoda's time.

 

I think this next movie will help us understand just how good Vader is. Does he kill Dooku? Does Dooku die because someone gets lucky? Does Vader slaughter all of the Jedi by himself or does he have a huge amount of help from troops and other villians. I think what I am asking is whether or not Vader climb to his high position with fate, or because he is that damn good.

 

Yes,I will look at Vader from a different point if I see him slaughter all the Jedi. But the OT Vader couldn't do that.