Dooku's fencing style. Am I missing something?

I can't remember if the movie said anything but the novel talks about Dooku's advanced fighting style. If I remember correctly it said that when he was Padawan the the Jedi trained the learners to fence and as time went on they changed to defense against blasters and stuff. But why teach them fence if the Sith are extinct?

 

You never know when it'll come in handy

 

Yeah, they're given general all-around schooling in different styles of lightsabre use. It's just that Dooku has put a few decades into the art of fencing, so he's extremely good at it.

 

But why teach them fence if the Sith are extinct?

Thats why they stopped teaching them the fencing style. Dooku just refused to go along with the new way of thinking.

 

Well the extra training shows.

 

Then again, nobody would expect fencing anymore. Surprise can be a powerful advantage...

 

Basically it was Dooku's need to be the best,he wanted to be the best in the old style of combat Form II,although its worse than useless for defense against Blaster weapons and only works on Lightsaber weilding opponents,but if you've trained with the regular forms then i guess you could combine multiple styles and be an even better fighter.

 

Even Dooku should be able to block blaster bolts no matter which form he practices.

 

Agreed. Blocking blaster bolts is a basic task for any Jedi or Sith. Vader blocked them with his hands.

 

I have a four year old nephew who has practically all the AOTC and TPM action figures and on the back of the box for the Count Dooku one I remember there being a note about how Dooku fights in the "old style" or something.

The reason I remembered this is because it was my SW loving brother in law who pointed it out...he then made the leap of saying that Dooku does it "old school"-so in stead of saying "old school" we have a joke of saying "kicking it Dooku style"

Silly, no? But it might help in this thread...or...uh...not.

 

Is it just me, or was Dooku's "fencing style" in AotC....strangely similar to "regular" lightsaber fighting styles?

 

Is it just me, or was Dooku's "fencing style" in AotC....strangely similar to "regular" lightsaber fighting styles?

 

Kuna Tuori, you can identify Dooku's fighting style by his use of one-handed moves (like fencing), all other lightsaber fighting styles we have seen so far mainly use 2-handed moves.

Got it?

 

He used one hand for only about 3 seconds. Please.

Vader used one hand for minutes in the ESB fight. Does that mean he used form II?

I dont buy into all this Form stuff. Each and every character in the movies certainly has a distinct style that is only unique to her. But none of them can be catergorized as any "form."

The form stuff serves two purposes.

1)It is an explanation as to why so many jedi die so easily. "Oh, yeah, all the jedi in the arena really WERE powerful, they were just using the wrong form." Yeah right. They purposely used the useless form VI.

Just switch forms then!

2)Its just an excuse to give Mace yet another distinction from all the other jedi. GL is trying to make us look at Mace. Hes trying to show you that Mace does not fit in with the jedi. Hes so different. And there are about 1 dozen things that are different about him that no other jedi has.

This "Form VII is dangerously close to the darkside" stuff, and how Mace is the ONLY one to use it, is part of GL's setting up Mace's character for...uh, whatever he has in mind for him in ep3.

Thats it.

Qui-Gon and Yoda are supposed to be practitioners of form IV. Do they look anything alike? No.

If anything, according to the Form definitions, Qui-Gon would use form V, and Vader in ESB would be using Form II for the first part of the battle.

 

Darth Weenie
Kuan_tori

I agree with your statements. All the form BS although interesting to read is basically no very applicable.

I mean, the jedi/sithy use the force to predict and block/deflect incoming blaster fire. No form is fast enough to allow them to do that if they do not use the force.

I agree there may be some diff techniques, which may be catagorised as 'forms' but only to a limit.

Jedi/Sith only get proficient through entensive training, and learning how to use the force cohesively with their sabres. And of course what ever feel most comfy to them.

btw i completey agree about mace windu. Some other actor should have played him, not sam jackson. May laurance fishburne. I mean sam is way to angry and uncontrolled, look at the way he stares at every one. Come on, anger leads to the dark side. Whats the, apparently, second most 'powerful' jedi on the council doing letting his anger take control.
IMO Liam Neeson was a superb actor for the role of a jedi. Just look at his smooth acting in TPM. And the way he handled a sabre was much better than Jackson.

 

huh. Now i'm imagining Liam as Mace, & Sam as Qui-Gon.
& it seems cool in my head. lol

I agree with DarthWeenie.

IMO, The "form" each Jedi uses could have been determined by letting each actor just do their own thing. By naming them & trying to assign them to people for specific reasons, the style of fighting becomes a plot point.
Only problem is, its not really a GOOD plot point. Its confusing and contradictory.
Its a technical explanation of something that doesnt even need to be explained.
Kinda like the midichlorians.

 

I have a question. When filming the tyrannus v.s. yoda fight, was Lee actually fighting a real (midget) actor or was he just twirling his lightsaber around like it looks?

 

Heh, I find it hard to believe that someone could find a two foot midget that could jump several metres in the air as well as moving about half the speed of sound.

 

I'm pretty sure that Christopher Lee was just swinging his lightsaber around without any one standing in for Yoda.

 

While a stuntman did much of the dueling for Christopher Lee, at one point, Lee was put up against an extremely tough adversary...a vampire Yoda.


LOL that part on the DVD always gets a chuckle outta me.

 

Fencing is also a "tradition" in the Jedi arts.

 

In response to Darth Weenie's comment on Vader using one hand

Vader was simply toying with Luke, Dooku was doing it as part of his fighting style

 

I dont think he looks like he's just waving it around. I think it looks like it stops in spots as if its hiting another saber. I assume they choreographed the fight first & he performed the routine knowing where Yodas blade was going to be, or was supposed to be, or whatever.

 

"Heh, I find it hard to believe that someone could find a two foot midget that could jump several metres in the air as well as moving about half the speed of sound."


You've never watched the little midget acrobats from Cirque Du Soliel?

The form stuff is interesting but I don't think it really applies to the movies. Dooku's style looks similiar to many of the others.

In fact, Vader and Kenobi's duel in ANH looks closer to fencing than anything Dooku does.

Mace's style consists of Sam Jackson looking angry. That's about it.

 

"In fact, Vader and Kenobi's duel in ANH looks closer to fencing than anything Dooku does."