JCC Embrace The FU - Formerly the STAR WARS IS BAD thread

I’m sure it’s Death Star parts. The irony is that Andor spends a year building the Death Star. He never knows that he helped assemble the engine of his own demise. Poetry! Or maybe he does. We never knew until now just how personal his mission really was. It’s really about avenging that old guy getting euthanized on the corridor floor like some animal.

This is why fans should never write Star Wars. See what we’re like?

How many times can you lie to a prisoner about being released before they stop being able to assemble widgets efficiently seems exactly like the kind of question no one would ever ask.

 

I haven’t seen one in so long I’d forgotten Star Wars had them.

 

it's a deluxe Lego Death Star 1/10th scale. Super rich nerds get to own prisons that will have their inmates build them.

 

Honestly, it’s hard to imagine that the Wookiee or Xexto prison wings wouldn’t completely destroy the humans effortlessly in the rankings every single day.

 

The Empire was a human supremacist government. This prison was considered a "humane" and "sanitized" prison. There's unlimited food and clean quarters.

Aliens get the worse prisons.

 

Saw Guerrera (ina single And/or episode) is literally the only canonical source to mention the problem of human supremacy on any side.

Question: Are Mas Amedda and Sly Moore the Kanye West and Condoleeza Rice of Star Wars?

 

The Empire seems racist against pretty much anyone who isn't from the Core including humans.

 

Depends how you define 'canon'.

 

I'm not a fan of humans vs aliens being a thing in SW.
I like the idea that the galaxy is so globalized that it's not an issue. It's true though, that perhaps my antennas should have gotten some hint from the fact that in SW77 the Empire already had only human employees.... I guess I was simply too young to think about it back then.

 

the idea was really a retcon addressing budgetary issues more than anything.

 

I hate aliens. Star Wars should have mutants instead.

 

It is, but that's a low bar to clear. It's still not good. It's slow and ponderous and it lacks any sense of purpose. If it didn't have the Star Wars label, nobody would care what happened to any of these characters.

 

screw you!!!!!

 

Hey, Vivec, I actually like Andor and I think it has a clear thematic purpose! The Sifo-Dyas conversation just made me think it was 2003 again and I attempted to go back to high school. The big test is today and I forgot to attend the class!

 

If Dooku had been transparent with Jango about his Tyrannus alter ego, Jango would have leverage over him, so of course Dooku wouldn’t tell him about Sufi-dyas either. Stop questioning Star Wars. There’s layers, they all rhyme, and everything has a strict logical hierarchy of meaning that cannot be called into question.

 

I think it's really enjoyable and I'm excited to see each new episode. Also the production value of this show is far beyond anything on Disney+ so far.

 

It’s quite weird. The white male thing was also just short-sighted casting. But whereas it has been acknowledged as such and has characters like Deborah to refute it, they’ve insisted on the “anti-alien” point despite Palpatine’s entire senior entourage being non-human.

 

I think it would be easy to explain that as Palps being racist but not against having nonhuman subordinates, a divide and rule policy, and/or pandering to the rich human supremacists that make up his supporters.

 

Apart from Mas Amedda and Sly Moore who else on the Ruling Council was alien?

 

His hand-selected apprentice was a Zabrak and his master was a Muun. That’s a huge vote of confidence for a organization that can only have one member besides himself in an entire lifetime. His preferred and most enduring partner in his entire pre-Empire career is the Neimodian Trade Federation. One of the Senators he relied on most was Orn Free Taa.

Do I need to keep going? It’s sort of beyond coincidence.

 

I thought Plagueis was Muun only in the old EU.

 

All of those can simply be chalked up to opportunism, not some partiality to aliens.

The Zabrak (Nightbrother) was chosen because they are fearsome warriors.

He couldn’t choose his Sith Master and ended up murdering him.

He used the Nemoidians for their power to start a war and then murdered their leaders once they had served their purpose.

He was working in the environment of a democratic Senate. Of course there were going to be aliens who supported him.

You haven’t really made the case that he isn’t prejudiced against aliens. The only two he keeps around because he likes them (and even they may be hangovers from their utility during the Republic) are Mas Amedda and Sly Moore.

 

Plagueis was no Muun, he was a battle station.

 

It's a toughie, aliens in Star Wars. They were obviously there in the first film to create a sense of bewilderment and alienation, but none of them had significant speaking parts. Because it would look goofy. So not just the leads were humans, not just the people on the Death Star, but these guys as well



So like Bacon said, any discussion about aliens in Star Wars is retcon territory. And I don't like to tread retcon territory. To me it's just a flaw that was already present in the first film, by necessity. It's something that doesn't warrant close scrutiny. With or without aliens, the story should be engaging and it should look cool.