JCC Embrace The FU - Formerly the STAR WARS IS BAD thread

I came in seeing Ken railing against something being made canon, only to scroll up and find out THAT'S what he's mad about

I agree pretty much with you Evan. It's a mixed bag. At least it absolutely got some amazing fight sequences and Manny Jacinto's arms in there.

 

Correct. I’m an old timer returning after a long absence.

 

I mean the reason is that the inmates have been running the asylum since 2008. They temporarily lost a bit of influence when movie money was flying around again, but currently we’re stuck in the TV realm from which they draw power.

I have a suspicion, maybe just a hope, that none of these TV shows are going to matter very much to the theatrical films (yeah I know there’s totally going to be that Filoni Thrawn movie or whatever that definitely won’t be exclusive to Disney+, we promise, but I don’t believe them). Disney already got burned by this with their golden goose getting kneecapped by TV tie-ins, and by the time we actually get anything substantial for Star Wars the lesson is going to be embedded. It’s why I stopped watching any of them a while back - there’s a real possibility this is just NuEU. If I’m right, the long-standing canon assumption - that there is the real canon on-screen and then off-screen there is the lesser work for people with too much money to pretend is just as canon as the former (yeah I know pre-acquisition there was allegedly that tiered system but lmao, lol, etc.), will yield to a three level system where the TV shows are for people with too much time to pretend is just as canon as the movies.

So ultimately nothing matters. The true lesson of Star Wars.

 

Okay time to reveal that when Plageus appeared, I legit gasped dramatically and held my hand over my mouth like I had the vapors.

 

So this is my favorite franchise!

I hope you made it to your fainting couch.

 

It’s ironic that they worked in the scripted “red herring” TESB twist into the real one here.
(In the script, it’s Vader saying “No, Obi-wan killed your father.” Instead of “No, I am your father.”)

With the sexual tension, Mother Koril possessing Qimir’s body would have made this go to Game of Thrones level

 

While I did feel the redding saber was weird, what bothered me the most was the very convenient permanent memory wipe.

Btw, both Yoda and Darth Plagueis were pointless cameos that they clearly just threw in there without any story plan whatsoever. I hate when shows do this.

 

Yeah, the memory wipe was too quick/easy. I guess they can retcon he’s especially gifted in that area or something but yeah.

I’m good with the 2 cameos. They stay cameos and don’t overshadow the rest. But they show they are acknowledged, and this is all part of bigger plans and bigger stories.

We know Yoda had to be around in this time, but if he was in it too much he’d overshadow everything.

Plagueis is more of a surprise, but a welcome one, that shows they respect continuity and reveals the real story of what is happening here, and would probably be more of a feature in season 2… it’s kind of like how Palpatine was originally a cameo. And the Clone Wars just an offhand reference. Now with his appearance, we know how the Sith, the Witches, the legend of Plagueis, the game Qimir is playing, just how that all connects, it answers a lot for fans with just a few seconds and with no unneeded expository dialogue/monologue, and leaves some interesting ambiguity. We now have a good idea of how this puzzle piece fits in with the rest.

And what a creepy, sinister introduction it was... literally lurking in the shadows, like the Sith have been doing:

 

This was bad.

 

Come on, Plagueis was introduced in the lamest possible way.

There was nothing in the show suggesting that there was a higher Sith Lord instructing Smilo, and they just threw in there a 3 seconds scene to cheaply please the fans without earning it.

 

Well I liked this until the memory wipe and all that followed, and Venestra deciding to do another cover up, what was the point of that?

How do you know that was Plaguis?
and what was Bazil doing - sabotaging the ship?

 

The point of the Yoda cameo is that Yoda has been running things forever. The malaise and corruption inside the Jedi order all point to his terrible leadership. The saga has been recentered around the idea that Yoda is a dick. And he doesn’t learn anything from being personally responsible for the fall of the order and the collapse of the republic either. He has the Seinfeld character arc extended across centuries: no hugging no learning.

 

I didn't mind about Plagueis, that's the least of this series' problems.

Character motivations were just weird up until the very end. Every episode had a couple of moments where I went "this makes no sense at all". Mae and Osha were completely inscrutable throughout. Actions were guided by script needs. The confrontation at the end was the strangest scene in the whole miserable undertaking. Manny just standing there. Mae just standing there. Osha using the Dark Side choke, guided by peaceful violins, and Sol going "It's good like this". Sure buddy, it's good that the person you wanted as your padawan is allying with the Sith. Totally convincing.

I can understand wanting to do a story about the Dark Side, but this is what you get if you let amateurs do it.

 

You can tell that the writers thought they were trying to create a meditation on guilt and responsibility and justice and retribution, but it’s such an incoherent and as you say amateurish mess. It doesn’t help the writing that OSHA and Mae are a visual effect, so their scenes together are overwhelmed by the demands of making the effect work. The acting and drama get crushed by the process.

but Manny Jacinto was the one highlight of the show. He did his job. He did his absolute best to sell the writing and the part he was given, and he mostly succeeded. The most interesting character Disney Star Wars has coughed up since it bought out Lucas.

 

How about that weird memory wipe. Characters are droids now.
They could have just taken Mae on the ship and dropped her off somewhere, no?
No.
Why not?
Script demands.

 

I think the story reached a conclusion but then they were thinking about further seasons and contrived all this nonsense with memory wipes and the girls switching places etc.

 

It seems as if they took all these weird story decisions without actually thinking them through or considering alternatives. Like they were overly excited about their own ideas the whole time.

 

Everyone tried hard. The saddest part is they clearly thought they were making a good show this time. It doesn’t have the air of resigned defeat that was hanging around every episode of Ahsoka.

A season built around a compulsive desire to use the word vergence. Still don’t know what it means, never will, don’t care, just want to say it out loud again.

 

Vergence ?

.... ohhh, I thought they were looking for virgins.

 

Ok I have to agree with Watto about the fact that the plot was driven by the characters making decisions that made no sense.

More or less like there was no point in Mae swapping with Osha previously, there was absolutely no point in wiping Mae's memory and leaving her there. They really had zero advantages out of such an action, all to lose and nothing to gain.

 

No doubt both Yoda and Plagueis were late addictions, post production ones, to try to "save" the fianle.
PS: Wasn't Mae recognized, by eye witness, as the killer of Indara and Torbin, so how could all the blame be pinned ONLY in Sol ? They never arrested or tried Mae for the deaths she was responsible ? Weird.

 

It’s easy to complain about bad writing, sloppy plotting and botched execution, but all of you will shed tears in the series finale when OSHA’s lightsaber recognizes her redemption and turns a light and clear non evil shade of blue. Lightsabers are now like wands in the Harry Potterverse. The saber chooses its master ultimately. Or rather the crystal in the saber. That’s the part that the Force imbues with a kind of wand like low level consciousness. I love canon so much.

 

Wait, are you betting on a season 2 ?

 

This ends with Star Wars getting sold to Elon Musk so that he can establish his synergistic multimedia empire headquartered on Mars. He will reclaim the franchise from its woke handlers and turn it into something that you need some kind of expensive blue check mark to watch.