Amph "Engage!" - Star Trek: Picard Discussion Thread [Paramount+/CraveTV]

Other Easter eggs from this episode:

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-The ships that track the beacons are the Dunderstadt-class (like the Intrepid, named after Doug Drexler's late wife, Dorothy Duder) USS Trumbull (named after Doug Trumbull, VFX photographer that worked on TMP, as well as 2001, CEOT3K and Blade Runner), the Echelon-class (looks like the new Stargzaer's Sagan-class, but with only the top set of nacelles) USS Yorktown and Excelsior II-class USS Mestral (named after the Vulcan from ENT: Carbon Creek).
-The two ships at Daystrom are Echelon-classes as well: the USS Sternbach (after Trek ship designer) and USS Cole.
-USS New Jersey's name and registry of NCC-1975 is a reference to Terry Matalas's year and place of birth.
-TOS transporter sound effect can be heard when Raffi and Worf beam aboard.
-The time length Worf mentions is similar to what Spock says in The Menagerie re: Pike.
-Bashir's actions on DS9 seem to have succeeded in bringing more awareness of Section 31.
-Athan Prime is named after the 12 Monkeys character played by James Callis aka Papa Picard in PIC S2.

Also, we have Trekyards initial, in-depth, 2-minute spoiler review:

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Do you mean Enterprise-F? I think that decommissioning is part of the Federation Day fleet parade ceremony.

Enterprise-E's fate is still being left vague. And either Terry or David confirmed that we wouldn't be seeing the E this season, just other Sovereigns. We know Worf's backstory this season includes a Captaincy of the E via the data files they released online (and, apparently, is before the last time Worf saw Picard in 2390-2391, going by his statement after transporting aboard), which is supposedly between 2381-2386 (though those dates are not in the profile).

So, it is possible that the E still has some significance to play in events, even if she isn't physically present (he stepped down as Captain "after the incident above Kriilar Prime"). Or, it could just be a backstory deet to lockdown the history (supposedly Worf taking over as Captain from Picard happened in the Picard: The Last Best Hope novel).

 

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So, from info in this episode, Kirk was "critically injured aiding Jean-Luc Picard", and was recovered as part of Project Phoenix.

Are they actually... going there?

 

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I wouldn't be surprised if that was something done as the behest of Changeling infiltrators in high places. They could have become the process decades earlier, or taken earlier initiatives and implemented them on a wider scale to suit their plans.

Such a networking might actually benefit stuff like the Copypasta Fleet from Season 1, if we are to assume it's a mass-produced, rapid-response fleet.

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It only just occurred to me, but there are 12 rings on the upper level of Spacedock. Her line about Hangar 12 was likely just the start of the subplot involving her retrieving/stealing the cloaking device from the HMS Bounty. So, Hangar 12 = Ring #12 and Ring #12 is then where the HMS Bounty is docked. Which is fitting, because if they are numbered counter-clockwise like the hangar doors are on Spacedock itself, then that would mean the Enterprise-A is #1 ).

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I think the issue was that all of the ships in the museum have the networked tracking installed, which is why Geordi couldn't lend them a ship. So that would rule out borrowing the Defiant.

Ooh! Very good catch! That's a factoid easy to forget (especially given the lack of an actual suffix letter given to the D-A, which makes it easy to blend the two together in memory).

 

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And more of S31’s collection:






And a few more glimpsed in this official video.

Yeah, but what I meant was that the blurring was because of their inability to do so. Even more ironic given that that is the one ship that has special capabilities where that distinction would be most useful (vs, say, the Ent-A which is essentially the same as the Ent Refit).

 

The Blass thread we've been waiting for!



Thread includes scale charts!

-K'tinga is Kronos One
-Nebula is Lexington
-Miranda is Saratoga! - "Salvaged and restored" for display.
-Top Akira is Sentinel
-Saber is Argo
-The Romulan Bird of Prey is a "T'Liss Light Warbird-class".
-Aha! The Pioneer is in for repairs, which is why that second Akira is temporarily on display!
-Bottom Akira is the USS Wersching "on temporary display" (So I was right- no Thunderchild!*)

..wait...Wersching? Awww



"On Display now on the lower level, replacing the USS Pioneer, we have a special treat. The USS Wersching. A very, very, special ship, that we hope visitors will appreciate."

*Turns out the Thunderchild was in the S2 PIC fleet, so that's why it's not in the museum- it's still in service!

EDIT- Here are all the ship profile images posted, made collapsible:

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Yeah, the Valore-type looked like an elongated, thinned D'deridex with the bottom level removed.

 

I don't think it's the PIC one specifically (same CG model, no doubt). That one was operated by pirates and its defeat had nothing to do with the Federation.

Since the PIC design looks more TMP-era, I'd suggest that it was donated around the time of STV, when diplomatic relations were established between them. Nimbus III being a "planet of galactic peace" and such.

Also, a detail I slightly messed up on- the Saratoga that was recovered and restored was not Sisko's from Wolf 359. It was a different Saratoga Miranda that was recovered and restored to replicate the one that was destroyed at Wolf 359. That makes more sense of the "interior represents both eras" detail as well.

 

The notion is that the NJ would be a late-run ship, made after the list of known TOS Connies. The 1975 registry helps support that idea (since the others are all mostly 17XX or lower).

But, as mentioned above, it's where & when Terry Matalas was born. That's also why we got the planet "Raritan IV" last season, as that is his hometown. And there's the real world USS New Jersey to sorta pull from as well.