Even Padme hates Jar Jar

No it isn't. It's a level below the script, actually.

no, it's not. the movies, the novelizations, the radio dramas, and the scripts all occupy the same tier of canon.

And if she truly hated him, she could have objected or put someone else in her place, at least temporarily.

you don't know that she can do that. if the President of the US is temporarily unable to perform his duties, say, due to surgery, he doesn't get to choose who runs things in his absence. there's a set chain of succession and a set procedure. most democratic republics have that for most major offices.

you have no basis for arguing that Padme is free to choose anyone she wants to fill in for her while she's gone, and, consequently, none for asserting that the fact that Jar Jar fills in for her while she's gone is a sign of her goodwill towards him. it's entirely possible, in fact likely, that Padme and Jar Jar were each put in their respective offices as the result of separate elections, and that there are specific regulations and bylaws that state that the Gungan Representative always fills in in the event that the Senator from Naboo is unable to perform her duties. since the Gungans elected Jar Jar, she's stuck with him.

you might even say that the reason Padme is so willing to brave assassination attempts to stay on Coruscant is that she knows that Jar Jar will take over in her absence and is willing to risk anything to make sure that doesn't happen

Perhaps the creators of the cartoon also saw her as bitchy in the movies and decided to expand upon that in the Clone Wars cartoons.

exactly. it's also worth mentioning that GL has himself been very enthusiastic about the content of the cartoons, and has had big screening parties and such for them.

 

no, it's not. the movies, the novelizations, the radio dramas, and the scripts all occupy the same tier of canon.

The movies are the highest level. Scripts are next. After that it's either the novelizations or the radio dramas.

you don't know that she can do that.

And you don't know that she can't.

if the President of the US is temporarily unable to perform his duties, say, due to surgery, he doesn't get to choose who runs things in his absence.

The President, while he is still a candidate, chooses who his running mate will be. Should he be elected, that running mate becomes his Vice-President, and fills in for him should he be incapacitated.

The President also chooses his own cabinet.

there's a set chain of succession and a set procedure. most democratic republics have that for most major offices.

you have no basis for arguing that Padme is free to choose anyone she wants to fill in for her while she's gone, and, consequently,

And you have no basis for arguing that she isn't.

none for asserting that the fact that Jar Jar fills in for her while she's gone is a sign of her goodwill towards him.

And there are plenty of other reasons to assert that she has goodwill toward him: i.e., that she is the only one who treats him with any kindness in TPM, that it's his speech when she's at her lowest point that encourages her to fight for her people, that she smiles at his antics while everyone else looks at him with disgust.

it's entirely possible, in fact likely, that Padme and Jar Jar were each put in their respective offices as the result of separate elections,

Why is it likely? Because you say so?

and that there are specific regulations and bylaws that state that the Gungan Representative always fills in in the event that the Senator from Naboo is unable to perform her duties. since the Gungans elected Jar Jar, she's stuck with him.

you might even say that the reason Padme is so willing to brave assassination attempts to stay on Coruscant is that she knows that Jar Jar will take over in her absence and is willing to risk anything to make sure that doesn't happen

So now you're going with "you might even say".

exactly. it's also worth mentioning that GL has himself been very enthusiastic about the content of the cartoons, and has had big screening parties and such for them.

That's nice; I think they're really good too. But GL liking them doesn't make them any less EU.

 

you don't know that she can do that.

And you don't know that she can't.

i don't have to. i'm not the one making the assertion. you cited the fact that Jar Jar takes Padme's place when she leaves as evidence that Padme likes, trusts, and respects Jar Jar. i was pointing out that that's not necessarily true, that it's entirely possible that she has no choice in the matter. you may think it's likely she does have a choice, but you don't have enough evidence on your side to prove that that's the case. therefore, you are compelled to acknowledge that Jar Jar taking Padme's place does not stand, in and of itself, as evidence that Padme likes Jar Jar.

it's neutral as evidence. it could mean she likes him and trusts him, it could mean she's forced to put up with him by Senate procedure. we don't know for certain. as such, your claim that it's evidence for your side does not stand and must be withdrawn.

But GL liking them doesn't make them any less EU.

that's true. however, it strongly implies that its portrayal of the characters is in line with his own understanding of those same characters.

one would presume that he would not enjoy them if he found the characterization wildly off-base for characters he, himself, developed. you would think that if he had any objection to Padme being portrayed as the type of person who would seem to be amused by recklessly throwing C-3PO in harm's way, it would dampen his enthusiasm for the cartoon.

 

i don't have to. i'm not the one making the assertion. you cited the fact that Jar Jar takes Padme's place when she leaves as evidence that Padme likes, trusts, and respects Jar Jar.

No, I cited it to counter the claim that she hates him.

i was pointing out that that's not necessarily true, that it's entirely possible that she has no choice in the matter. you may think it's likely she does have a choice, but you don't have enough evidence on your side to prove that that's the case.

But there is other evidence to support that she likes Jar Jar, or at least, that she doesn't hate him.

therefore, you are compelled to acknowledge that Jar Jar taking Padme's place does not stand, in and of itself, as evidence that Padme likes Jar Jar.

OK, I see your point here.

it's neutral as evidence. it could mean she likes him and trusts him, it could mean she's forced to put up with him by Senate procedure. we don't know for certain. as such, your claim that it's evidence for your side does not stand and must be withdrawn.

Not if it's bolstered by other evidence.

that's true. however, it strongly implies that its portrayal of the characters is in line with his own understanding of those same characters.

And if it is, so what?

one would presume that he would not enjoy them if he found the characterization wildly off-base for characters he, himself, developed.

Why do you presume that? Now who's offering unsupported claims?

you would think that if he had any objection to Padme being portrayed as the type of person who would seem to be amused by recklessly throwing C-3PO in harm's way, it would dampen his enthusiasm for the cartoon.

Or that he simply found it amusing, since everyone disses C3PO in the movies. Even Anakin, who built him, says casually: "I'll tell Mom not to sell you."

 

Padme represents the Chommel Sector which includes, among 36 other planetary systems, Naboo. Representatives Binks represents Naboo and is second in command should something happen to Padme.

Padme is Jar Jar's mentor aka Obi vs. Ani.

Padme only appears rude because dialogue has been cut. Originally, it just appeared that she was cold, which makes her treatment of Anakin no different to anyone else. And the whole beginning of AotC was about Amidala being cold.

 

Yes, Padme's hates Jar Jar. Doesnt everybody?

 

she may not have a choice. he's some sort of Representative, and it's entirely possible that he's her designated surrogate or next in line of emergency succession or something like that. it could just be procedural.

Jar Jar is Naboo's junior Senator!

if the President of the US is temporarily unable to perform his duties, say, due to surgery, he doesn't get to choose who runs things in his absence.

The President, while he is still a candidate, chooses who his running mate will be. Should he be elected, that running mate becomes his Vice-President, and fills in for him should he be incapacitated.

The President also chooses his own cabinet.

??? Clearly what the original poster meant was that there's a procedure that's followed. The President doesn't get to choose, say, the Secretary of Agriculture to replace him.

 

I agree with dizfactor

Padme is just plain rude to everyone

 

Jar-Jar has a big annoying mouth! I wish Lucas would learn from his mistakes and left him out of AOTC completelty.

 

You know he did for his child. His son asked for a character in one of the movie. I think it's sweet and very noble. Jar Jar isn't one of my favorite character's but he's not that bad.

 

"And also Anakin is "talking" to Jar Jar about how Padme doesn't remember him (Anakin). He really seems to be thinking out loud to no one, not really 'conversing' with Jar Jar - and doesn't respond when Jar Jar says Padme is happier than she's been in a long time. Anakin only seems to respond when Obi Wan steps in to say that Padme was happy. "

Sorry but that's not true. Anakin was talking to Jar Jar because he SAID, "She hardly even recognized me, Jar Jar."

 

your making fun of jarjar ... just kidding. good thread.