Fenn Shysa's death?

Is there any documentation as to when this occurred (A.B.Y.)? I'm trying to pin down roughly what time Boba Fett became Mandalore.

 

It's twenty years after Dala gets killed. I'm trying to find it in the timeline at the moment.

EDIT: ... and probably between 15 and 16 years after ROTJ. That's as far as I can pin it down.

 

Well Shysa was Mandalore for almost 20 years. I would say it's closer to 16 or 17 rather than 15/16 years after ROTJ. He became Mandalore after the defeat of the Imperials on Mandalore, which happened a few months after ESB.

And from what I understand, the time between ESB and ROTJ is one year.

So do the math.

Fine Mandalore that Shysa, fine Mandalore.

 

Fenn died?

//cries

 

Yeah, I really liked that guy... He was awesome in the Marvel comics...

 

Indeed, but you got to give to Abel Pena for saving the character. If Chee would have had it his way Fenn would have been a fake Mandalorian who lied to Leia about fighting in the Clone Wars.

Now Fenn Shysa will always have the legacy of being the man who gave a new rise to the Mandalorians. A stable rise, one that should last a long time, unless Fett screws it up.

 

You're making Boba cry. That ain't pretty.

Anyway, you can't keep Mando'ade down for long. It's impossible to screw them up permanently, as history shows us.

 

True, but I would hope that Fett would respect Shysa's legacy. Not many Mandalore's did things for the Mandalorian People(not warriors) the way Fenn did.

Plus Fenn has a pretty good track record.

1.Savior of Mandalorian People
2.Rebuilder of Mandalorian Army
3.Took back Mando sector
4.Actually joined with alliance, and helped them out in their early years.
5. Made Mandalorians use there skill for protecting not conquering or using it for the highest bidder.

So I'd say Fett has a lot to live up to, in terms of the person he's succeeding as Mandalore.

 

Yeah, but Im sure Boba will do well. Even if it is just to repay Fenn for saving his life. Now we just have to get Karen to write a book abour Fenn and Tobbi's exploits during the Clone Wars

 

Since Shysa was simply continuing the Supercommando legacy started by Jaster Mereel and continued by Jango and Spar, I'm sure that Boba will continue in the same vein .

 

Probably, but that's on the subject of the army, not the people. Mereel,Jango, and Spar all failed in keeping the Supercommando's(which ever version they were at the time) alive and stable. Fenn was the most successful. He died with the LEGACY of creating a brand spanking new Mandalorian Empire. Something those other guys didn't do.

Fenn has an entirely different legacy.

 

Jaster successfully reunited all of the clans and created the Supercommando code. Without him the Mandalorians would still be rag tag random groups of mercs with no honor.

Jaster's Supercommando traditions have formed the backbone of every Mandalorian group that has come since (unless you count Death Watch).

Without Jaster teaching Jango, and Jango teaching Spar, there would be no Mandalorians - Just honorless pretenders like Death Watch. That's why, in my opinion, Jaster holds the more important position in Mandalorian history .

While what Fenn has done is impressive, it wouldn't have been possible without the traditions and vision of Jaster Mereel.

 

And that's your opinion, just like I have mine.

Fenn to me succeeded where all the rest failed. Codes can be broken or changed, and there's nothing offical that says Fenn followed EVERYTHING in the supercommando codex. What Fenn did was create a new future for the Mandalorians as a whole. Not just the warriors, but the people as well.


"I don't care for causes no more. These days I fight only fer me planet, me people... an' me friends." --Fenn Shysa.

And that he did.

 

Yup. I guess I figured that when I included the phrase "in my opinion" in my post that that made it fairly clear the first time around. Heh.

Codes can be broken or changed, and there's nothing offical that says Fenn followed EVERYTHING in the supercommando codex.

We know for a fact that he continued the Supercommando traditions started by Jaster Mereel and passed down from him to Jango, to Spar, and then finally to Fenn. Anything else is just supposition.

 

No we know for a fact that he created a new army of Mandalorian Protectors. We don't know how he taught them or trained them. You can assume that the followed Jasters lead, but that's it.

Could he have used some of his of beliefs when he created his new army? Who knows, nothing says that he did or didn't. Just like nothing says he used everything in the codex.

 

Wrong.


From the Mandalorian article in Insider: "Shysa realized that the time to revive the Mandalorian Supercommandos had come."

Not "Shocktroopers" not "Protectors", but "Supercommandos."

Here's the definition of Supercommandos I gave to Abel Pena:

Mandalorian Supercommandos / True Mandalorians - Mandalorian Warriors reunited by Jaster Mereel approximately two decades before the Clone Wars. They followed the supercommando codex which taught them an ethic that extended beyond the limited idealogy of fighting for credits. Existed until around 36 or 35 BBY or so, until revived on two seperate occassions by both Alpha-02 and Shysa and referred to as "Protectors".

And the definition of Mandalorian Protectors I gave to him:

Mandalorian Protectors - The name Alpha-02 gave to 212 Mandalorians he formed into a fighting group during the Clone Wars when he became obsessed with rebuilding the supercommandos. This group is, essentially, wiped out during the Wars. Later when Shysa also decides to revive the supercommando tradition during the Galactic Civil War era, this name is also used to refer to his Mandalorians.

And here's how he responded to those definitions:

"Yep! This seems very thorough and accurate, Rhian."


Shysa continued the Supercommando tradition. Fact.

 

*grabs popcorn* Tegoth versus Mane. Fun I personally agree with Tegoth. Jaster was teh win. Fenn is/was very important (freed Mandalore from slavery. That doesnt happen very often. Tobbi helped though) but Jaster is just more important. IMO.

 

Good definition. Still doesn't mean Fenn Shysa follwed the supercommando codex. And I believe Supercommando can be used for all Mandalorians warriors of any age.

The true names of all versions were, Crusader, Neo-Crusader, Mercenaries, and Protectors.

More proof is given because on the very last line of the actual History of the Mandalorian article, just before you get to the bios is says this.

"Only time will tell who will reign as Mandalore after Fett is gone and what the future holds for the Mandalorian SHOCK TROOPERS."

Not supercommandos', SHOCK TROOPERS. So it's my understanding, and I talk to Abel about it, that both Shock Trooper and Supercommando mean the same THING. Only differenc is that there were different version of EACH.

 

Nope.

Abel specifically confirmed that the term "Supercommandos" refers only to Mandalorian Warriors that followed the supercommando codex that existed until around 36 or 35 BBY or so, until revived on two seperate occassions by both Alpha-02 and Shysa and referred to as "Protectors".

When I gave the above definitions to Abel I also gave him this definition of "Shock Troopers."

Shock Trooper - Generic term for Mandalorian Warrior.

And, again, Abel replied to both definitions with:

"Yep! This seems very thorough and accurate."

In the context of his own article, I'm sure Abel would know.

 

Well I've asked him and we're going to find out for sure not Tegoth. Don't be so defensive on the matter. It's just good fun.

However I still see Shysa as the better man. He is the one who did way more for the Mandalorian as a whole. More than Jaster,or Jango,and definitly more than Spar. Who has the momma's boy relationship with the Mando government for a life time. Other words, we call people like Spar a BITCH.

It was Shysa who made the Mandalore title the term it once was when used by the Mandalore's of old. Not ruler of mercs, or leader of a small army, but RULER OF THE MANDALORIANS. So I guess you could say right there that he used and OLD Custome of the Crusaders.

It was Shysa who freed the Mando Sector. With a small army. I'm still wondering how he did it. With only a small army and no fleet. Good fun to think about. Anyway Shysa took back something that probably hadn't be fully in Mandalorian hands in perhaps some hundreds of years.

It was Shysa who freed Mandalore. With Tobbi's help no doubt, but at the end of issue 68 Shysa still implys that the Imperials are still alive and well on Mandalore all though they've suffered a terrible blow.

It was Shysa who gave the Mandalorians a new economy, or at least gave the Mandalorians a better future.

It was Shysa who made the Mandalorians Protect. No not fight for money, or conquer all, to simply protect. I guess he figures they'll survive a lot longer that way.


What Jaster did was all well and good. He created and new code for the Mandalorians of the time. However you can't give credit to Jaster for what Shysa DID. It was Shysa who did all these things that would give the Mandalorians a better future, NOT JASTER MEREEL.

 

I don't see how I'm getting defensive by pointing out facts. Fact is that Abel has already given us a definitive answer - Supercommandos refer to those that follow Jaster's code and traditions, Shock Troopers is a generic term for all Mandalorian warriors. Period. You can read it for yourself on page 55 of the Mandalorian Article thread.

However you can't give credit to Jaster for what Shysa DID. It was Shysa who did all these things that would give the Mandalorians a better future, NOT JASTER MEREEL.

I never said that I give Jaster credit for Shysa's actions, I said I give Jaster credit for finally reuniting the clans, making them honorable, and laying down the Supercommando traditions that all Mandalores after him thus far (with the theoretical exception of Boba - though I doubt it) have followed.

 

Actually, we have no idea when Shysa freed the Mandalore sector. After retaknig Mandalore itself he probally wouldve built up a larger army and definitly built up a fleet. And remeber, if it werent for Jaster the Mandalorians woud still be honorless mercs and Shysa wouldve stayed a police officer on his little island home off a major Mandalorian continent.

 

Actually we do know. It had to be with in the one year between ESB and ROTJ. Miltin Tekel had alreadly lost the sector when he went to the battle of Endor.

 

Or the emperor thought "You lost the most important planet in the sector to a bunch of cranky Irish policemen and some relic from the Clone Wars? You=teh demoted" Of course, my arguement is totally wrong if DM2 comes out with a source that says Tekel actually lost the sector instead of being transfered out.