ST Finn/John Boyega Discussion Thread

In your mind maybe. You've been defending the trolls for several pages now. Did you write something that John posted?

 

Not Tahani out here sticking up for John! This is The Good Place, y'all!

 

I wrote them all, every one, on every account, it was all me.

Also yeah, people, most of them teenagers getting bullied off of twitter two weeks ago definitely only happened in my mind, you got me.

 

Reason #499384 The Good Place is perfect.

 

The Good Place has a black male lead that doesn't get played/demoted by the writers too.

Hmmmm. It's possible after all.

Am I wrong for not giving a **** about this?

 

Your outrage for John's response to abuse directed at him is telling. You appear to be awfully passionate about JB brushing off hate directed towards him at the same time ignoring every example of Rian Johnson being verbally toxic that other posters have brought up. It's a shame that passion is motivation that brought you here.

 

Maybe it'll give these "teenagers" a lesson in if you want to spout at the mouth, be prepared for the other person to do something about it.

 

Oh no, oh, oh no, no, no, nonnonononono, no, oh, no, oh, nonoononononononono.

But...they aren't all the s...nevermind I can't do this for the 50th time. I tap out.

 

Has Rian offered any words of support to John? So many of John's peers and colleagues have spoken up to say he's doing just fine, and I'm sure he appreciates it. It would be so reassuring if Rian, whom John worked very hard for, were to come out with a few words of support. So sad that this hasn't happened. I'm sure that many upset Reylos would calm down if Rian were to remind them that it's all just make believe.

 

@Strategize

look, it’s really this simple, the people who are attacking JB, sending him hateful tweets are one hundred percent wrong. And Boyega is one hundred percent in the right to defend himself.

there’s no excuse or defense for the people attacking him.

 

Boyega used a vulgar term and deserved some flak. But hateful, racist stuff; hell no.

 

Boyega needs to call out all the racist fandom menace members that gave him hell before the TFA days also. They are acting like he's a hero now for calling out Reylo's, but they were the ones with the absolutely disgusting behavior towards him when they thought the male lead/main Jedi would be African American. The fandom menace is disgusting and have been racist and disrespecful to John and others like KMT for a long time now.

 

The Good Place has one of the best romances in their four short silly sitcom seasons ever. Chidi/Eleanor is a wonderfully written fictional romance.

But man, Jameela really brings it all back: John made a silly joke, something MANY, MANY actors do (hell, Oscar on this press tour made a joke about Finn and Poe being in bed together!), and he got attacked for it. So what's he do? He fights back. He's not playing their game anymore. They're trying to play victim, but they started it by attacking him.

 

He has absolutely talked about the racist reaction to the black stormtrooper stuff.

https://ew.com/article/2015/10/08/john-boyega-stormtrooper-backlash/

 

He has absolutely spoken up about past racism.

 

One thing JB doesn’t need is to be dictated to by you how he is obligated to react to racism. That’s some entitlement you’re displaying here, presuming to declare how he must publicly react if he dares to make a silly video dancing away mean and racist tweets from reylos.

 

Thank you.

Seriously. I have been beside myself reading several pages of this now and it really boils down to this point. John gets to decide how he chooses react to how he's been attacked, same as anyone else. The idea that simply by publicly brushing it off he has victimized people who never attacked him is absurd.

It minimizes the very real erasure John has faced in this role both on and off screen, and he is not alone. As some have pointed out, KMT has gone through it too. How they choose to deal with the impact of all of that is completely up to them and on their time.

And I hope John never loses his love for Star Wars. While I'm critical of how Finn's story has been handled (or dodged at points) , I am glad we got what we did and hope at some point we'll be lucky enough to see more and John will be involved.

 

Fork ya it is!

 

Hear! Hear!

All these folks camped out giving advice to John on how he should be indifferent to being attacked, who are SO worried about "innocent" Reylos, maybe they should be counseling Reylos on how to act and call out the toxic ones so they aren't collectively maligned if they're so concerned about that.

 

The biggest annoyance about Finn was how he was relegated to a comedic, lovesick sidekick who suddenly becomes Force sensitive in the third act of this last movie. Really? WTH J.J., Rian and story group.

I thought Finn's story as a rebelling stormtrooper had so much more potential than what we got.

I hope John has a long career and gets another shot at a franchise that taps into his talents wonderfully. Such a waste of what could have been a great character in the SW universe and John's talents.

 

Yeah Finn was probably the most wasted character in the ST in terms of potential vs.What we got.

 

Like I said, the idea of Boyega deserving being "called out" for the sex joke is LAUGHABLE. You go anywhere on Tumblr or Twitter or Instagram, search the reylo hashtag, and you'll find a thousand worse things written about Rey than what he wrote. Including:

Rey "riding her soft emo boyfriend's ghost d***"
Rey impregnated (nonconsensually) with Kylo's child via that touch on her belly in the kiss scene
Loooong, "erotic" descriptions of Rey's body, including "pebbled, perky, dusky t*ts".
Oh, and the fanfics they write of DAISY and ADAM, not Rey and Kylo. Because Adam must secretly hate his wife and is just dying to get together with Daisy.

And then the black guy makes a "laying the pipe" comment and everyone throws up their hands and wails and gnashes their teeth because "the sheer misogyny! A black man having sex with a white woman! The AUDACITY! Daisy must be weeping into her pillow, horrified that her costar would say such things! We take offense at a man saying such things about a woman! Only WE can say that!"

Seriously, people. His phrasing was as calm as "touching heels to Jesus" or something else. And they can go on and on about their little theories about how Adam is drinking himself silly because he has to go home to Joan and because John talks about Daisy he's obsessed with her, but as soon as John says something oh my god we need to fight back.

Disgusting. Just disgusting

 

The difference is of course the difference between one person having a contract with Lucasfilm that likely has fan engagement-related terms and conditions and you finding a bunch of random, anonymous people online who do not.

It reminds in some ways closer to the way professional athletes are heckled constantly in various ways online and during live events from less famous people and how the pros are expected to not retaliate.

Nobody thinks the biggest idiots online aren’t idiots but there’s generally an expectation that professionals in any field with more to lose will not lower themselves to feeding the trolls in any way via use of the block function or by having a private account for friends and family or having someone who runs their social media and does the blocking on their behalf.

Courting ST anger can work given some of the divides (See Hamill after TLJ but Boyega isn’t as much a part of people’s childhoods as Hamill was) so it may also lead some who were in his corner previously to see him as targeting the sequel film that they like and the ending that they like and therefore also causing some to like him and Finn less than they previously did and only leading to even more divisiveness in the “ship wars.” He was written as the “Jacob,” which is an important role in ship wars. However, just as I’m sure “Team Edward” fans love watching the many ways that Jacob fell short there despite trying so hard to be the good guy... there will always be a ton of ST fans who enjoy how Finn fell short in his pursuit of Rey in the films themselves despite trying so hard to be the good guy. That’s part of the the drama of ships and expectation subversion related to passion. For hardcore shippers that was the war and Finn literally got force pushed to stay in the friend zone alongside Poe Dameron — whose rise up as his POC supporting cast equal in the trilogy had a huge impact on his tale — to hear about Rey’s dark side thoughts of being on the throne with Kylo Ren. Boyega engaging like this just plays Finn up more as an adversary for their goals and makes it easier for them to enjoy Finn’s failures and screams for her that come up empty. It will only make his failures in pursuit or her funnier and more enjoyable to fans who wanted her and Ben to connect and kiss and who wanted him and Poe to just stay in the B plot as resistance supporting cast members to the more fun Jedi vs Sith plot.