Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

If you mean known ships then yes, only two Assertor-class ships are named in Legends, these being the Assertor and the Wrath. Only the class exists so far in canon, with no individual ships having been named.

 

I still think the "Old FFG books are Legends, new FFG books are part of the newcanon" divide is a bit arbitrary.

 

Yeah, though according to a guy who worked on the book it was LFL-approved, so at least the Assertor is more canon than it was back in '16. Also...

 

I've got to say, I'm pleasantly surprised by both the Starhawk and Onager's armament stats. They're neither horrendously under-armed(Raddus) nor ludicrously overpowered(Resurgent). Perfectly balanced for their respective sizes and roles.

Excluding the tractor beams(1 Starhawk tractor beam = 10 ISD-II tractor beams; they cancel each other out), Starhawk has 146 weapon emplacements, compared to the ISD-II's 120. Although ISD-II has more HTL and ion cannon batteries, Starhawk retains sufficient numbers of both while adding 32 concussion missile launchers and 36 point-defense emplacements. Anti-cap ship firepower is comparable, but the greater variation of weaponry and point defense, along with the overpowered tractor beam, make the Starhawk a lot more flexible and survivable.

Onager is remarkably well-rounded for its role. Besides the 2 composite beam turbolasers it's got plenty of anti-cap ship firepower with 6 dual HTL and 24 single HTL batteries. 20 point defense laser cannons and 36 starfighters are more than enough for a ship its size. You'd think a relatively small, slender ship stuffed to the gills with mini-superlaser tech wouldn't have enough space/power left for much else...

 

SWTOR writers consult with the Story Group (and they credited in the game credits), but it's still Legends.

So that really doesn't mean anything. But considering the Starhawk is a canon only ship, it's stuff is probably canon.

 

Interesting! 2400 meters is the upper range of what I estimated for the vessel. +/- 1000 meters shorter than the MC85, but still a VERY formidable warship.

--Adm. Nick

 

Why can't ILM release the 3D Model of Landos fleet for 3D browsing through it from all angles and counting...
Do we really have to wait for Battlefront Space Expansions dealing with that so we can rip it?

 

Battlefront 2 hasn't had new space maps since TLJ came out. So that's never happening.

 

There’s absolutely no way the entire fleet, which took big budget Hollywood special effects supercomputers 8.4 million hours to render, could ever be included in the game.

I don’t think we’ve seen the end of Battlefront 2, though.



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Battlefront 2 seems to still be going relatively strong with new reinforcements and maps still being introduced. Kind of surprising when you consider the initial rollout and all of the issues. As someone who doesn't play online though, it leaves a lot to be desired in arcade mode. I would welcome more space-based maps and play modes.

 

Random, off topic note, but, have we all just accepted that the MC85 is horribly underarmed and it wasn’t just The Raddus that had such a small amount of weapons?

 

Yeah, it's that damn Mothma demilitarization taking all the guns off the ships. The Starhawk, on the other hand, was developed while the war was still going on, and the stats we have for them are probably circa 5 ABY. I'm sure if any made it to the ST era they were all defanged.

 

So wonderful to see some new art for the Assertor-class, one of my all time favorite designs. Pretty nice to know some Starhawk stats too, sounds about what I expected in terms of size.

 

It's never explicitly asserted that all MC85s are that underarmed, so it's a relatively easy retcon. Will it happen? Likely not; there's no new reference book coming out anytime soon. Besides, the ST has never cared about continuity, lore or worldbuilding, and it really shows when you examine the ship specifications, designs and the general direction they've taken the GFFA in.

 

If it were really undergunned, I like to think a backroom deal caused that ship to happen.

Make an unnecessarily-sized ship that will require exorbitant amounts of resources to build that you'll have to buy from us and maybe you'll get some kickback too.

 

For ground content, yeah they're still releasing a lot. But all the space stuff was made by Criterion not DICE, and they left to work on Battlefield V a few months after BF2 launched.

 

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that the MC85 is actually relatively potently armed for it's size. I think that light, medium, and heavy turbolasers/ion cannons are very nebulous, vague, and undefined terms. We know from TLJ novelization that the Raddus can take on a Resurgent toe-to-toe, so that's a good sign. Ultimate Star Wars New Edition states that the Raddus is "powerfully armed with 18 heavy turbolasers, 18 heavy ion cannons, 12 point-defense laser cannons, and six proton torpedo launchers."

Now I know that this is a stretch, and I am by no means an expert here. This is just my personal theory that allows all of this information to be true and make sense.

I think this is what's going on: the design philosophy behind the MC85 is quality over quantity. To such a degree, in fact, that those 18 heavy turbolasers are much more individually powerful than any weapon on an ISD. In fact, I think I can prove that to be the case with at least the ion cannons. In Battlefront 2, we're able to walk around the interior of an MC85, and we can actually enter and walk around an Ion cannon bank. There are 3 ion cannons in that single bank, and these ion cannons are identical to the ones present on the MC80 cruiser that attacked Fondor in the Battlefront 2 campaign. Those ion cannons at Fondor are gigantic, many order of magnitude larger than the visible turbolasers on the MC80 in that level. The MC80 in the campaign was only able to equip 3 of these "heavy ion cannons" but just those 3 were able to completely neutralize a (presumably) unshielded ISD. That's a pretty incredible feat. In fact, if Inferno Squad hadn't boarded the ships and manually destroyed the ion cannons, the ISD never would've been able to power up and enter the fight. Those same ion cannons are onboard the MC85, and whereas the MC80 was able to equip 3, the MC85 is able to equip 18. That's 6 times more, which is impressive in and of itself. I imagine it's a very similar situation with the turbolasers, considering a turbolaser blister on the MC85 seems to be just as large as an ion cannon one. I'm fairly certain that one of the "heavy turbolasers" onboard an MC85 is much more powerful than even the octuple barbettes on an ISD-2.

But again, I could very well be, and most likely am, wrong. Does anyone have anything that would debunk my theory?

 

As I have pointed out before. 18 triple-heavy turbolaser batteries or 18 blisters of paired triple heavy turbolasrs, as the ICS shows. If each is worth 1 or 2 times the power of an ISD-I's dual-heavy turbolasers, then the MC85 is a beast. It would through between 3-6x the TL weight of an ISD-I.

 

I'd tend to go with that (and, conversely, that the vast majority of turbolasers on a Resurgent are itty-bitty ones, with only a few that are ISD main battery grade or higher).

 

Huh, that does make alot of sense, I think I'll add this to my headcanon!

Anyways, one thing I wanted to point out about the ST is the lack of support ships for the Resistance/New Republic. Only new support/escort ships we get are the Neb-C, Vakbeor, and Bunkerbuster. I found it strange considering those 3 are the "successors" to main Rebel ships like Neb-Bs, CR90s, and GR-75s, but we didn't get a sucessor for the Dornean Gunship, which is arguably just as major as the other 3.

 

Blame Mon Mothma who probably forbid constructing new warships of any size except with government license and clearing. That kept the pool of ships limited and with the TROS fleets variable design variants for each of the new ones, they settled for moddeable ship variants over ship diversity.

 

Sadly thats just an excuse for the films not giving us any good designs other then 4-5. The Corellian Gunship is seen in the Exegol Fleet, we just never got a close look at it!!

 

We need a Chronicles: The Sequels with close up looks at all models and variants, even digital ones from all angles... like the ships & vehicles one that was released in japanese only back then.