Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

While I agree that the Legends version of events makes more realistic sense, the canon version of events makes more sense within the context of the Star Wars universe.

The Clone Wars only lasted three years, and Republic citizens were about ready to overthrow the Jedi by the end of it. We constantly heard how people were sick of the war, about how it had gone on for way too long, and just how ready for peace the entire galaxy was. That war essentially bankrupted the Galactic Republic, which had been the ruling power in the galaxy for a millennia. In contrast, the Galactic Civil War officially lasted five years, with an escalating rebellion for years preceding that and various rogue warlords wandering around for years following it. Though we see only small fractions of the conflict, the entire galaxy was revolting by the end of it.

The Empire may have been more prepared for a military conflict, but they had only been around for 19 years before the war started. If a galactic conflict just with another faction was enough to bankrupt the Republic, the Empire stood no chance against a galactic-scale civil uprising. Even if most of the Imperial Navy hadn't disappeared to the Unknown Regions, I can't imagine the war lasting more than an extra year, maybe two max. The Legends timeline had the benefit of being written before the prequels, but now that we have that added context from Lucas it just doesn't fit anymore. 25,000 Star Destroyers, while a lot, can't even hope to compare against the civilian fleets of the entire galaxy.

 

Also, one thing the new canon has seriously emphasized is the degree to which the Empire's legitimacy stemmed from being the successor of the Republic. When those elements were tossed aside in favor of the Tarkin Doctrine - and when that almost immediately failed with the destruction of the Death Star - it's arguable that the Empire's fate was sealed right then.

 

(To Sinrebirth) Small correction, in fact - I mean't to say three times the Endor fleet, not four.

 

Isn't it beautiful? I thought this storyline was fantastic in Legends, and now we get it again for the new.

 

So this is where the Nebulon B's hangar is located... listening to the Alphabet Squadron had me wondering where they were keeping all those ships.

 

You mean that black rectangle at the front part of the ship? Is that actually there in other depictions of it?

 

Yeah. And not in the films I believe, because they were medical frigates and had them removed.

 

As someone who always defended it, I've been on kind of a sugar-high for years now.

 

At most, the Nebulon-B hangar can be around 44 metres long, and 11 to maybe 19 metres tall. The one above is rather low ceiling-ed though. And this is already stretching it. A 44 metre apperture also fits more neatly if the frigate is slightly larger - i.e. 338 metres, rather than 300 (and better comparing with the docked Millennium Falcon miniature, which I believe is estimated online to be 25.4 cm long)
So fitting TWO Rebel squadrons in is still pretty much impossible, unless we go with the EC Henry approach, and bulk up the entire middle section, width wise.

 

I think if it were up to me, the Nebulon-B would have no fighters at all. I mean, just looking at it, this thing does not have any interior space to spare whatsoever.

 

i never noticed how the Starhawk is kinda of suped up hammerhead corvette meets a Nebulon B.

 

Yeah, I always think the Starhawk should be the size of a frigate simply because of its shape. Then I see the picture of it side-by-side with a Star Destroyer, and I just get confused.

 

The main issue (or solution, in this case?) with giving a specific fighter count to rebel carriers is that the number would surely vary upon the type of fighters loaded. It's extremely unlikely that the Nebulon could be able to carry a dozen X-Wings or Y-Wings, but if the "1 squadron of fighters" capacity from Rebel Files used early rebellion fleets as a reference, the squadrons could be entirely made up of A-Wings. If a CR90 can externally mount 3 A-Wings I could see 8-10 fit below the middle section, with perhaps more if it had the optional side hangars. Now one thing I hope isn't carried over from Legends is the "24 TIEs + Lambda shuttles" stat, unless something similar to ECHenry's model gets canonized.

EDIT: it's a stretch, but I suppose TIEs could also be carried "Gozanti-style" on all four sides of the middle section rather than just below.

 

I once saw Tie loading envisioned as wings stored separate from the cockpits and only upon launch are Wings attached and the fighter released into space. While such a concept didn't stick and last, it would save space but only work on vessels large enough to use a small part of the saved space for an assembly line launcher.

 

One of my issues with Rebels is that they could have answered this question definitively and they passed on it. They built the model for the frigate...but never put a hanger on it or showed it launching/recovering fighters. A totally missed opportunity.

 

I come across some of my old posts when using the search function, and a lot of them seem like I could written them yesterday. My thinking hasn't changed much...

 

I'm not surprised considering TIEs magically spawn from the bow of Arquitens in the show

 

Hey, you never know, we could see a solution to the Nebulon B hangar conundrum in Squadrons.

 

One not involving hammerspace? That would be... unexpected.