Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

I don't like the Imperial Venator, it just looks so wrong without the red markings.

 

Tarkin had at least three Venator-class Star Destroyers (which I call Firefist, Penumbra [Tarkin's ship] and Seswenna's Pride) in ROTS.

 

I had another go at scaling the Arquitens using the scene in Rebel Resolve where Chopper and some stormtroopers are vented out the side airlock. I used the size of chopper (around 91cm without the antenna) and the stormtroopers (180cm) to figure out the height of the side trench. Then using a scene later in the episode, which shows the side of the ship, I worked out that the ship was around 34.913 times longer than the trench was high. Using this I came up with the following figures.
Trench height:

1. Based on Chopper = 7.027m
2. Based on Stormtrooper = 6.808m

Ship length:

1. Based on 7.027m trench height = 245.34m
2. Based on 6.808m trench height = 237.69m

Also had a go at using the height of the trench to figure out the width of the front cutout:
Cutout Width:

1. Based on 7.027m trench height = 6.566 m
2. Based on 6.808m trench height = 6.362 m

Some other ways I thought of that could be used to find its size:

1. Size of the bridge. The interior seems to be designed to fit into the exterior model, so could be used to get an accurate size.
2. width of the front cutout, based on the size of ships that are seen docked in it; tie bomber, tie interceptor, sentinel shuttle. The ties give us a minimum width of around 5.5, based on them docking on their sides (interceptor is about 5.3m high and is the taller of the two ties). Would also need to get an accurate size for the sentinel shuttle, since the Rebels version is different than the EU versions.
   
3. Size of the escaped pods in the side trench (possibly a reused asset, so might be able to get its size from another episode).
4. Size of people walking on the hull in the clone wars episode Escape from Kadavo.

200 metres seems to be the smallest it could be, any smaller and I think there would be problems fitting ships like, tie bombers, tie interceptors, or the top of the rebels' sentinel shuttle, in the front cutout.

Ah thanks for the clarifications. Yeah, there is no reason to avoid using a rack if it is available.

Do you know where the movies showed the front tip open? One of my side projects is figuring out the Venator's Hangar, so I'm always looking for more info on it.

 

Let's try this conundrum, Padme's star skiff. How in the hell do they get from the cockpit to the main hold?

 

As a note on that, the "official" 325 meters lenght for the Arquitens was said to have been calculated in this way, only that they used the Legends 38 meters lenght for the Sentinel. If the Rebels variant of the shuttle was to be shorter, which i think it is, it would explain the discrepancy.

 

(Long Snoot) That's right, yes. Now, I've been informed that, proportionately, the cockpit to main body of the Rebels Sentinel DOES allow it to be around 38 metres, but the size of the boarding ramp and doorway, plus interior sets, and Stormtroopers shown outside it, does make it seem considerably shorter. Potentially barely bigger than a Lambda. The debate continues.
The bridge is a pretty good yardstick, but it seems barely larger than the one on the Republic version of the ship, (that we know to be no larger than around 160-170 metres, in 'Grievous Intrigue', compared to the super-Recusant) so we may well get conflicting numbers. That's why I provisionally went with 200 metres, as a good median.

 

This has always been a question of mine...and why I am annoyed it did not get a cross section.

Inquiring minds want to know....

As far as on screen size of the Arquitens...it could just be because they did not properly scale Chopper and the Stormtrooper to the ship and it really is the 325 meters.

If we are going with 'on screen size as scaled to something else' then what is the size of the Neb B a compared to A-Wing and TIE Interceptor?

 

Overly large, I perhaps. Bridge module is about four decks high, so around 15 metres? And over 65 long. A-Wing would then be half or one third the height? So I suppose it's not far off?

 

As I've stated before, Battlefront 2 uses the 325 Meter length for the Arquitens. I don't know if they get their numbers directly from LucasFilm or just look at other sources.

I know the CR90 in BF2 is 120m instead of 150m. Wookieepedia says 120m is the length of the CR70 in Legends, so I wonder if that's where the confusion came from, or if they scaled it down for gameplay reasons.

Or hell, it could just be a rounding error with the model exporter or something.

 

I just watched The Clone Wars, Season 2, Episode 16: Cat and Mouse and immediately thought of this post. Give it a watch, although they do rely on cloaking technology, the vibe is exactly as you describe.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/IPV-2C_Stealth_Corvette

 

I think if you're talking about reducing your sensor signature, that can reduce the distance at which an enemy ship might spot you...like say, from 100,000 km to 60,000 km. That's still useful, but it's not going to let you do that thing in Cat and Mouse where they just fly right past a bunch of enemy ships without them detecting you.

 

Yub I was talking about that. Closest on screen though is not Cat and Mouse but The Last Jedi with Rose's modification of the engine signature sensors lock on to so the Resistance can escape the Raddus to Crait. Or like they did in Rose novels with the bombers to sneak up on enemy vessels.

 

Edit war on the Mediator-class battle cruiser page again. Really, really, REALLY wish that size and that of the Viscount-class Star Defender were locked down and secured before someone released the 17km long Star Defender in the game. Then again, if the Executor-class Star Dreadnoughts didn't find itself in a size war then perhaps things would be easier.

 

My guess would be that when closed the ramp acts as an egress point for the cockpit (kinda like the Lambda), or there's a ladder, or small lift.

Interesting... Wonder why they used that method? Especially since they could have asked for measurements from the show model to get an accurate size.

I think it's possible that the Sentinel is somewhere in the 30-40 metre range, but it's definitely appears smaller in width than its EU counterpart (cockpit interior looks similar in size to the lambda's). I'm contemplating having a go at measuring it, but it will take a while since I'm going to try and model it.

The Imperial bridge interior is basically the same as the the Clone Wars version, it appears they just modified it look for Rebels.
Got intrigued by your measurements and made my own estimates based on its appearance in Grievous Intrigue. Ended up getting around 215-222 metres, also, as a bit of fun, created this image with the Battlefront 2 Arquitens (it's scaled to 222m).

It's definitely possible that chopper or the stormtroopers could be scaled wrong (or I measured them wrong). There's also one discrepancy I found in that scene, the door they come out of is to big for the interior corridor and it appears to be the alcove where the escape pods are mounted. Of course discrepancies are why you can't rely on just one scene as they might have scaled things based on dramatic affect, or in the case of the original trilogy, they had to composite multiple models of different scales into one scene (there's a great scene in ROTJ where a corellian corvette is show as absolutely tiny compared to a Nebulon B).

As for that Nebulon B, it's somewhere between biggish and bigger... But seriously, I think its somewhere between 10%-20% larger than 300m.

 

Someone then tried to make the Mediator 8,500 meters again.

 

Star Wars ship sizes just keep reminding me how short/small Star Trek ships are.

The Arquitens, if going by the 325 Meter length, is 36 meters longer than the TOS Enterprise, if you go by the commonly accepted length of 289 Meters length.

And the Arquitens just a simple patrol vessel. The TOS Enterprise at the time was meant to be an impressive ship.

 

Star Trek ships are also ridiculously maneuverable for their size. The USS Enterprise-D flies around like it's the Millennium Falcon...

 

Even with firepower. Still love the shot from "Sacrifice of Angels" of that Cardassian warship shooting at Federation ships, manages to hit a Miranda-class starship and then getting blasted by two Galaxy-class starships.

 

"No bully the Miranda-Class!"