Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

I did a rough estimate using the length of the shuttle and height of the hangars, which yields an overall height/depth of 300~370m. I also think they're on the lower end of the 1km spectrum, since they're quite flat and long.

 

Yup - and the "unnamed dreadnought with the big dome":


(called Legator in his version).

The "TIE Seeker" is his own take on the TIE Phantom chassis - with a more TIE-ish and less Millennium Falcon-ish cockpit.

He's done a Victory Star Destroyer with a triangular (seen from above) hull, rather than the downscaled ISD of Legends. It has Venator-type guns.

A souped-up version of the Acclamator called the Proclamator (the idea is that the Acclamator was made by stripping away all the good stuff from this chassis to turn it into a lightly armed transport rather than a dedicated warship) - with its two big hangars on each side, it looks a bit like the Imperial II frigate, and could work as a Rand Ecliptic for the newcanon.

And he's done a version of the Gladiator which has no big bow hangar, but a pointed bow instead and more guns - the Provocator.

 

The 300m range seems to be about right for its height, and is similar enough to some of my estimates, based on the shuttle.
Here's my measurements for the Hangar. I'm uncertain which hangar the shuttle is heading towards, so I did both. I also included the height of the lower section of the hangar as I was curious how high the interior side bays would be based on this scene - they are possibly too tall compared to what we see in the interior view.

Here's the image I used for the height and width. I ended up redoing it, as I didn't save the last attempt. So its different to my original estimate of 600-800m wide - amazing what a few pixels difference can do.

Using the two different hangar sizes, the ships forward section's width is somewhere around 503-648m and height is 265-341m. The total height will be a bit taller than this, as the tower and lower hull antennas will add a bit to it.

I mean, aren't all Mon Calamari cruisers supposed to be around 1200m (give or take 100m), and anything bigger is a mistake

 

Does anyone know what the first expanded universe mention or appearance of an Imperial capital warship that was smaller than an Imperial-class Star Destroyer (so not Tector or Super), or not a wedge shaped design?

 

Great work. I did a (very) crude length estimate based on your numbers, and got 937~1206m. Low~mid-1km range seems to be accurate.

 

Wild guess but, Nebulon-B?

 

Those weird-looking cruisers in Marvel SW, that looked more like spades, might be among the earliest "clearly not a regular SD" Imperial ship depictions.

They were called Pursuit-class cruisers as early as October 1978 (Marvel SW Issue 19: The Ultimate Gamble).

 

So just to confirm, but we don't actually have definitive mention of these being Mon Cal vessels yet do we? I mean, I know as previously discussed the origin is Mon Cal cruiser concept art but I still think the lack of blisters (even the MC-75 managed some) leaves some doubt. At least in my head. I really would have preferred that fan made physical model extrapolation of this design posted a dozen or so pages back in the thread. I suppose if it does end up being an MC-something class, I can headcanon a blister version similar to that one as being for Mon Cal (and Quarren and Nautolan and maybe Feeorin) crew and this one for the more terrestial species/mixed crews of the New Republic.

I also really hope to still see an MC-85 or two. I mean it has a CGI model already and everything.

 

There's no outright confirmation, but the concept art and bridge interior make it highly likely. I'm sure we'll find out the exact class designation once the show drops.

I also hope a Starhawk or two pops up in Ahsoka. It's been hyped in various media and the design's been known for some time now, so a live action debut is in order. I could see Starhawks being replaced by these more efficient new ships and pushed out to the Outer Rim, where they'd serve as the vanguard against Thrawn's return.

 

Interestingly, the 2 newest Mon Cal designs are all based on OT concept art. If we see another down the line, I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar to one of these.

 

There's still unused concept art?

 

The ones I posted above haven't been used yet.

 

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Side and hangar views from SDCC.


Along with what looks like the bridge of Thrawn's ship in space. Definitely not an ISD.

 

Seems like after so many years of studying art, but himself living in rather modest conditions, Thrawn finally has an opportunity to allow some luxury.

 

Now that we have a proper side view, I did another length estimate using these height values and got 2,000~2,600m. Absolutely massive, these could be Mediators for all we know.

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Plus a size comparison with the Starhawk and ISD:

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The hangar may belong to Home Ones. The details are close to what we see in ROTJ; the main hangar walls are flush with the entrance, and the entrance appears to be missing the notched side section of the newer ship. If it is Home Ones hangar, there is a possibility that it's one of the smaller hangars on the port side, as in the latest trailer Ahsoka's shuttle can be seen in a hangar that looks to be on the port side(based on the direction the ship in the distance is facing).

Based on the interior views there's a reasonable chance that the hangar bay measurements are wrong. We get a quick look at the hangar interior in the latest trailer, and the side bays (which are around the same height as the entrance side notches) don't look anywhere near as high (compared to the fighters) as my lower estimate of 13m for the side notches/cutouts.

This kinda shows what I mean. The side bay looks to be a similar height to the X-Wing with the canopy open, but are likely a bit taller as the X-Wings are in front of the bay. The bays doesn't appear to be more than twice the height of a landed X-Wing (with closed canopy), so are likely at most somewhere between 6-7m tall (landed X-wings appear to be around 3-3.5m tall).
A 7m tall side bay will give us a hangar height around 18.9-19.3m. This should fit the shuttle, as it is likely around 17m tall when landed(15m with wings folded, plus possibly 2m of landing gear) and is a good lower limit of the hangar size.
Using 19.3m, the ships height is around 120.5m (I used the 181px height since the bottom section isn't visible in the side pic) and the length ends up around 948m (
1,142.5m if using the 218px height).
This does add credence to the ship being closer to 1km in length, but since some of the measurements are guesses I would in no way say it is definite.

 

I tried a slightly different way of measuring the hangar height, but the notch-hangar ratio shouldn't be too off since the lower and upper "lips" are parallel.

Using 7m notches and 181px, the hangar is 22.7~23m tall, which translates to an overall height of 141.6~143.5m and a length of 1115~1130m. 218px gives us 1343~1360m.

1.1~1.3km seems about right for a fleet workhorse.

 

A much better pic was posted by SWU, and you can see X-wings toward the bottom rear.
Using the T-65's 13.4m length, this thing scales to around 1,409m. Should be pretty definitive.

 

I'm reminded of the passenger liner design from Battlestar Galactica ('03-'09). The same design for the Olympic Carrier, Pan Galactic liner Caprica Clipper, Gemon Liners Gemenon Liner 1701 and Sagitarrian Spaceways Pyxis.

 

Thx for these beautiful measurements and comparisons folks!

Now some other Fleetjunkiequestions:

How large are the forces the Hutts command?

I know it varies by era and I am not fixed on any era per se but can we give an estimate based on what we know from various sources? Be that the novels NJO-FOTJ or TOR MMO or else. I know they can always draft slave armies or commission clone armies and probably did a lot, but as to what level of threat does any Hutt neighbor need to be ready to defend itself from to prevent any Hutt expanding the border? Are the worlds at their edge heavily armed thus, or rather merely lucky to be boring enough from a business perspective standpoint? Does the Republic or Empire keep standing forces at the border to the Hutts or other non-member states? Even if they nominally allied or joined to avoid war.

And second, and why I ask this actually: There are high interest worlds that are a pain in the Hutt's eyes and profits, or rather could be highly wanted by them but are not their property. F.e. Kessel and Oba Diah. What amount of forces must the Pykes have to be able to withstand a Hutt takeover or discourage them from even trying?

We know from latest comics that the syndicates have quite some naval and armed forces for their Syndicate Wars and more at the ready given time and money.

You guys did the math for the Empire and Rebels.. help me do the same for these major players though please!

 

Better look at the E-wing, courtesy of some merch. Top cannon is definitely gone.

 

Interesting topic:

For those who played Galaxies, what's the length of the X4 gunship? I keep thinking anywhere between 20 meters to 50 meters.

It's crazy that no official length in Legends was known (and forget Canon, it's easily forgotten).