Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

They were armed with at least a pair of cannons on the bow. So I guess those ships do have armed variants. Which makes me happy because I always thought that all Rebel ships should have some sort of weapons.

 

So, was there actually a TIE boarding craft in RO? I wish somebody official could confirm that. A pity it's not in the Visual Guide.

 

So...48..plus probably take away 12 for space for The Ghost, Sato's Hammer and maybe a shuttle to land???

I think flying in tandem with Vader's shuttle as they are going to the Profundity.

 

According to Wookieepedia the Ultimate Visual Guide identified the tank in Rogue One as the TX-225 GAVw "Occupier" combat assault tank. Isn't this some sort of misnomer considering that the w should stand for wheeled? Especially when it seems to say that there's also a repulsorlift variant called the TX-225 GAVr "Occupier" combat assault tank, where of course the r implies locomotion via repulsorlift?

 

There are wheels inside the tracks.

 

Spoiler

Originally the tank on Jedha was supposed to be a hovertank but it was changed to what we had.

 

Really wish it would have been a repulsorlift. I always thought the tank looked too modern, but the wheels really don't help.

 

Backwater planet, far enough from the Core to use antiquated equipment. I didn't see the problem.

 

Agreed. That and it is just easier to have a vehicle with wheels as opposed to repulsor tech that is expensive and can easily break. Wheels are reliable.

 

The problem is that repulsorlift technology has supposedly been around for centuries. This is a highly advanced civilization, a galactic power like the Empire should have no need for wheels. For something big like the Juggernaut tank, sure, but a small tank like that doesn't need them at all. Especially because Jedha isn't some backwater planet, it's an essential part of their mining operations for the Death Star. Lothal's also a backwater planet in the Outer Rim, and yet they have tons of tanks using repulsorlifts.

In fact it would have been great to see them use the Troop Transports from Rebels instead, they've been shown carrying cargo and would have been perfect for the situation.

Wheels also come with disadvantages, especially in the crowded streets of Jedha. There's a lot of stuff that could get in the way, and maneuverability is severely limited compared to repulsorlift. Given how Jedha's streets can barely even qualify for roads, and the frequent terrorist attacks, would it not make sense for them to want speed and maneuverability on their side? Jedha is a very important mining location for the Empire, they have no reason not to use at least decent equipment to protect their cargo. The cargo is the entire reason they're there, and every stolen shipment puts the Death Star that much farther away from completion.

 

Wait when did this become about the turbo tank being potentially used on jedha? Did I miss something? Yeah on a planet like that sure it would be problematic which is why you use them as a cheap, easy, and reliable transport on backwater worlds. Or in the case of military usage; requiring less energy output to wheel around as opposed to repulsor tech used to life that thing off the ground. A few good hits and it could lose its repulsors and be a sitting duck.

 

It didn't, I was just using the turbo tank as an example of a justifiable wheeled vehicle usage.

A few good hits might disable a repulsorlift, but a few crates can turn a wheeled vehicle into a sitting duck without even firing a shot. And usually the repulsorlift is pretty well protected, at least if Rebels is anything to go by, they would have to be very good hits. They're transporting Kyber crystals through a city flooded with rebels, this isn't the time to prioritize cost over security.

 

Yeah on Jedha certainly. My point is that the wheeled vehicles have a purpose. Sure repulsor tech is very effective but it does take a lot of energy up to lift a tank the size of a turbo tank. That thing would need something like wheels or legs to maneuver cause to hold that thing up for long periods you would need really strong repulsors. It is just not as practical as putting sturdy wheels or legs on it.

 

Plus, if there's a breakdown, it's less problematic if it happens to something on wheels or treads than something on repulsorlift.

 

Oh yes I agree with that, I just think the tank on Jedha in Rogue One should have been repulsorlift.

 

Definitely. . Don't wanna accidentally run over your own base of operation on the planet.

 

Your count seems pretty dead on, I can confirm this after three viewings in one week.

Of course, considering that the Devastator mostly focuses on the Profundity (confirmed in the novelization), it's likely that other than that one Nebulon-B frigate that was blown in half, that many of the surviving Rebel ships did make it to hyperspace.

The novelization confirms that this isn't the entire Rebel Fleet. This is only an assembly of ships already at Yavin Four or near Scarif that were able to respond in time. Of course, we also know that the Telaris System in the Outer Rim is the secret assembly site/manufacturing center of the Rebel Fleet, so I imagine a lot of ships were there.

I can't believe that I missed that Telaris was already canon, had been since the old Rebel Alliance Sourcebook from WEG. In the old EU canon, the Telaris System was where Ackbar first assumed command of the Alliance Fleet, as detailed in a letter to him from Mon Mothma. Very cool reference, plus it is likely that Ackbar may have been overseeing the build up of Rebel ships at Telaris prior to taking over for Admiral Raddus.

--Adm. Nick

 

Good to know. The Alliance fleet would logically be spread out and RO seems to stick to the idea that hyperspace is not magic and actually takes a while.

 

Granted it's been about a week since I saw it, but I thought it was sort of implied that Mothma received the word about the Rogue One team (and Raddus) heading to Scarif at about the same time that Rogue One arrived at Scarif. If so Blue Squadron, Red Squadron, ect. had to make their way from Yavin all the way across the map to Scarif pretty quickly.

 

Faster than that. They heard word of the action heating up on Scarif and then scrambled. It may have even been faster than JJ-speed. The Eadu mission seemed similar but a little easier to massage into order.

 

I've long accepted that lightspeed between two points takes as long as the story requires it.

If anything, faster travel speeds makes it more plausible to have smaller (ie, tens of thousands as opposed to millions) number of starships secure the galaxy, as they can travel to most spots in a short amount of time.

--Adm. Nick

 

Or the opposite: anything can be struck in an instant without warning and thus everything must be secured. Besides that, it renders the division of the galaxy into more and less remote regions as rather silly.

I think it is time we concocted some new principles of hyperspace physics. Hyperdrive ratings are logarithmic? The accuracy of navigation calculations radically reduces hyperspace time? Perhaps hyperspaces routes shift persistently the longer one particular calculation is in use the more its speed is reduced as a function of the routes virtual degradation, inasmuch as the path has shifted more and more as time goes on and the navicomputer must make micro adjustments throughout the course as unexpected mass shadows are encountered. We could call it hyperspace erosion, not per se, relative to the travellers expectations. The better the data on a route is kept up, the faster it goes, but keeping such information up do date would be exteremely resources intensive and would require access to the information to make use of it. Take Rogue One's shuttle: it is may be linked into the vital supply routes to Scarif, either still connected or possessing data so recent that it is good as new, allowing the rebels quick access to such a long jump.

Moreover, while hyperspace may naturally accord one to one with realspace, perhaps there are other exploitable layers or even means of manipulation through "hyperspace tunelling" effectively forming wormholes within its wormholes...

If we can handle ship classifications, we can do this. We are scholastics, after all. (Ok...back to my real dissertation)

 

I asked Pablo & Todd Vaziri (who did VFX on RO) about the minor differences between the Rebels & RO versions of the Hammerhead-class corvette:





Note the extra engine and additional pods on each side of the main hull.

--Adm. Nick

 

I think she already knew RO had left. Raddus was seemingly prepping right after the meeting which might have taken a while. The fighters sow up wit Raddus and the Tantive which was still on Yavin 4 was in Raddus's flagship. I would assume that they rendezvoused with the main fleet or Raddus was just about to take off but had yet to enter hyperspace. Capital ships can travel faster so the way I take it is that the squadrons got into Raddus's ships then took off and arrived maybe an hour later or so. We could be seeing things out of order. Like RO has taken off but not arrived by the time the Mothma scene happened. It is strange if RO made it from one side of the galaxy to another that fast but maybe they took off and like a whole day passed before Raddus and his fleet where ready to take off. Better hyperdrives meaning possibly arriving in half the time. I guess we still just have to stick with the speed of the plot stuff which sucks.

 

At least there are a few things that can justify Hyperspace working at the speed of plot. Secret routes known only to a few, some ships having faster engines, (or better nav computers with more up to date information), the movement of all the planets and stars, hyperspace anomalies. The Animorphs book series had their hyperspace equivalent (Zero Space or Z-Space) be unpredictable so what was once a short journey between planets could later wind up taking years. I've always assumed similar anomalies happen in Star Wars, though perhaps not as drastically.