Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Those "anti-fighter" turrets are quad turbolasers bigger than an ISD's main guns

 

After looking at it some more, I am somewhere in the middle on the new dreadnought design. As I said, having a new dreadnought is always a good thing in my book, and I sure hope there will be some sort of official miniature toy to buy. The name of the class is fantastic, great connection to Legends from Mr Fry, just wish Fractal was on hired to make a Mandator I through III class models I like the idea behind the big guns as well.

Overall though, not the prettiest design in the world when being compared to the many canon and Legends Imperial warship designs, though I do appreciate some of its more unique design features. Along the lines of one of Fractals points, I do sometimes like things to be just a little more realistic and make more sense when it comes to Star Wars, but by no means do I expect it, or actually always want it to be that way. To each their own. I would love to see some more details put into a ship like this, much like Fractal models, and to gain some more armaments. I really appreciate all of the detail and thought that go into every nook and cranny of a detailed warship design. I am sure there will be tons of more great tidbits in the cross sections book, and hopefully it will play a major role in the movie. I just hope they go down fighting in the movie after a hard fought battle with the Resistance, and will not taken down via sabotage, lucky shots, or gross incompetence

 

I thought official stats were supposed to be Holy Writ, and above petty interpretation

 

Given that in TCW, Venators use their main guns to shoot down starfighters, and in Rebels Season 3, ISDs use their main guns to shoot down starfighters, there is precedent for anti-starfighter weapons being big.

 

Someone on reddit had a fantastic idea of why the dreadnought is so flat and why it has a dome indent in the middle. Thry basically suggested that the Finalizer or some other standard Destroyer would sort of combine with the dreadnought, and they even made a mock up of it that looked REALLY ****ing cool (though for some reason I can't find the thread anymore or the picture), and I'm wondering if that redditor was more right than they knew.

 

Or it's just a mistake and you're not supposed to take it all that seriously, like an 8km Executor that obviously does not work with ISDs being 1.6km in length.

Just because people can draw doesn't make them particularly good at explaining naval engineering, or engineering in general, or technical design, or physics

 

"We want the transformers crowd"

please god no

please

 

Then ten of those pairs will form the Death Pizza, a circle of doom that can blow up stars! /s

 

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Found it. I think the idea is interesting.

 

makes wonder how bigger that dreadnought is than a super star destroyer.

 

I've decided I'm far more a fan of the concept than the design output for the Dreadnought.

 

It's actually a little smaller, or so I've heard people say. I'm not into measurements all that much.

 

The two guns are about as big as long as an ISD each. You could mount them spinally, but you'll have fixed firing for the most part. Something, in universe, necessitates that the guns need to be that big for its intended mission, and the rest of the ship's mass is needed in support of that mission. There's no reactor bulb that we can see, but it's possible that the reactor or reactors are similar to the Trade Fed. BB in size.

It's very possible that this is actually a "small and cheap" vessel (it looks very utilitarian), and that these guns could be put on larger ships in greater numbers, i.e., newer battleships. But, that's trying to fit Star Wars into reality, which doesn't always work. It's of note that the designer thinks of it as a gunboat, which was really just a smaller monitor, though I'm guessing he meant in the way of "gunboat diplomacy through naval gunfire support of coastal (planetary) targets".

 

The big guns do appear to be dual use, yes; tracking is probably their biggest problem against fighters, but they shoot at fighters with them when applicable to do such. The turbolasers on the Death Star are big too, and they work fine against fighters if they can hit them.

 

I guess the AA guns are like rapid-fire, rapid-turns kind of a deal, like a revolution in AA technology?

 

Seeing as Rian Johnson is quoted as that it needed to have a flat top. I thought that it may be docked to the bottom of Snoke's super star destroyer and then detach for added effect when the battle commences.


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Careful we may restart SSD sizes debate.

 

That might explain the hole in the middle. Also helps add to the inconsistency in R1 and ANH when Vader says "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies" when it wasn't. Maybe when one ship docks with another, they technically become two parts of one ship. Just like when the Soyuz and Progress and Dragon ships dock with the ISS.

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Er, yeah, not seeing how my post links to SSD size?

 

Doubled

 

My first thought when I saw this was that it looks like a homage to the old SWTC "Star Monitor" concept - flat-topped wedge, two big slugthrowers, and a wide superstructure aft that might have engines in it. The angle of the gun poking out from below even echoes the pointy underside structure in the "hero shot" from the comic. If so, presumably the work of a long-time fan, and maybe designed from the start as a Mandator...

It also looks big and crude and ugly and maybe old as well, and suitably different from other Pointy Palpatine-class ships, if you'll forgive a Excellism, while still recognisably referencing all the right design cues. There are also clear references to the Finalizer in the wide superstructure and the ram bow (which in this case might actually be a ram bow, and very much evokes a "dreadnaught era" feel as well)...

The simplicity of the design makes sense to me too - this is a ship designed for the "Death Star approach" - its introduced as a big simple shape in the background (in this case, one that immediately reads as "big pointy STAR WARS capital ship"), then something big like an ISD (or in this case, I'd guess something in the smaller end of the capital-ship bracket) comes into view heading towards it, giving a sense of scale by how much it recedes towards it, and then you switch to a close shot in which all the vast geometry of surface greeblies you can't see at long range - in this case, the surface turrets and the big recessed feature which I guess is a docking well - are visible.

As to why a barve like this would only have flak on top, it's clearly a design detail mandated by the director, so I'm guessing it's designed to sit too low for snubs to easily manoeuvre underneath. Also, again, the top is analogous to a sweep of Death Star surface with its turrets.

And in keeping with that, the lack of a big obvious ventral dome makes sense - no "exhaust port".

- The Imperial Ewok

 

I would have preferred this....

 

Lol that photoshop. Honestly though, it looks a million times better with the extra mass on top. Better than a nearly complete slab.

 

Dang DP

 

Thrawn McEwok
Posts like these explain why you were hired to write a Star Wars book on this stuff.

 

SpecForce Trooper
But all that does is give it the same old Star Destroyer terrace like everything else has. You have to admit, the total flat top is a very novel concept in Star Wars, especially coming after JJ Abrams' extremely derivative design orders.

 

--Adm. Nick