Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Now isn't the time for jokes. My post above is a serious reminder, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.

--Adm. Nick

 

Speaking of artstation stuff, from the same guy: internal ion cannon battery bay on the MC80 Liberty class

 

My apologies.

So no conjecture regarding Viscounts whatsoever? You know where I might be able to take the topic then since apparently I need to go elsewhere?

 

I apologize. I usually pay attention, but I clearly made a mistake here. If I still could edit the post, I'd do it right away, but it's too late.

 

To clarify how TLJ can be discussed here:

Take the new Resistance cruiser Raddus, for example. Speculating/discussing the ship itself as a vessel is entirely allowed and appropriate. So, continuing my example, I am free to speculate that it was the most powerful ship in the NRDF, it's retirement and acquisition by the Resistance due to a sympathetic senator on the NR's armed services committee, or what it's weapon load out is.

HOWEVER, I cannot discuss or speculate what role it plays in the movie and how it may be tied to key plot points. Again, we are allowed to focus on the vessels themselves, but not how they do or do not tie into the overall plot of the movie.

--Adm. Nick

 

Okay.

I was simply hoping to have a discussion with like-minded individuals who seem fairy knowledgeable of such things, if I've overstepped my bounds again simply tell me where on this board I can take my thoughts and I'll just pose my questions there. Thanks.

 

All of your other discussion points (1-3) are valid and open to discussion in this thread. Your fourth point is the one I spoiler tagged, as it contained plot speculation based on trailers.

--Adm. Nick

 

Euh. The dreadnaught idea has its place. While its likely they scrapped the SSDs, they may have kept them.

Smaller ships may be able to cover more territory but this only truly works when when you have no military rivals. As the New Republic found out after Dark Empire, a few dreadnaughts can easily sweep aside fleets of smaller ships. Though the dreadnaughts cannot then hold the territory "freed" from those enemy fleets because they cannot physically be at all those now conquered territories; the dreadnaughts can serve as miniature death stars....their mere existence nearby will can force worlds into submission and make the enemy focus on hunting them down and taking them out. If the enemy refuses to take out the dreadnaught, they risk having it pop back into system and continually wiping away the holding fleets. The dreadnaught can essentially be used to keep an enemy off balance Zsinj while you use your more conventional ships to strategically choke the map. Zsinj Iron Fist in this way. Additionally, the opening rounds of the Imperial reconquest in Dark Empire not only proved the effectiveness of dreadnaughts but made the NR rethink its own use of such ships.

As for canon...

The Executor class was used really well at the Battle of Jakku...it's actually one of the best uses of the SSD in either continuity. It's used the way it was meant to be...a hammer to punctuate the point. It uses its superior range and firepower to swat NR ships out of space while using a revolving Star Destroyer shield. Awesome. Exactly how it should be used in conjunction with support ships. It's use in battle was one of the few inspired aspects about the Empire's End series. It's too bad that Rax intended for no one to win that battle.

The Executor at Endor lost its advantage when Lando ordered warships to engage it point blank. Obviously, that is not combat Star Destroyers were designed to...ahhh....handle.We see this in Rogue One: the defending Star Destroyers engage Raddus' fleet from a distance. At Endor, being so close to the big ship, I imagine that some of Executor's guns may not even have been able to properly aim at the Mon Cal Cruisers.

If the NR dismantled the 3 SSDs, I think it would be primarily for political reasons. A defense force does not SSDs, especially a force that is overwhelmingly winning.

 

And the Ravager was used to give a clear "bottom" to the Imperial formation, protecting its mostly defenseless belly (with that absurdly large hanger section) and tail sections with Jakku's atmosphere. This is, to my recollection, the only time these gigantic, glaring weaknesses in the SSD's design has ever really been exploited besides the Valiant getting all up in the Lu's buttmeats over Thyferra.

 

Always fun to lurk here, thought I might have something to contribute and a question in the bargain. My kids and I went to Disneyland over the holiday and rode the updated Star Tours... twice. I'd have to recommend this to Fleet Junkies -- you will absolutely get the best views, in glorious 3-D, of the FO Star Destroyers we've ever seen cinematically. Twice in fact -- being careful here as the ride does contain what might be considered TLJ "spoilers" (but it's also its own, not-really-canonical narrative that's already "in release", so... not sure here). There are also great views of the AT-M6's and ski speeders, TLJ AT-AT variants and some other tracked ground vehicles that whiz by mighty quickly while the simulator knocks you around, and a new frieiter-looking thing landing on the new SW Galaxy's Edge planetof Batuu which can be seen in the promo images for the ride. So... well, for us, two rides weren't enough to catch everything we would've liked.

But, here's something that I wanted to ask: this being only the second time I'd been on the ride since the "Adventure Continues" update (as opposed to the original which I rode many, many times), I couldn't recall if the opening queue had been changed at all. The large "Arrivals/Departures" screen featured occasional cuts to the "space station exterior" from various angles, with a great many ships coming and going, including a few oddball ones I didn't recognize. In particular there was a very elongated CR90 variant with a completely different engine arrangement, another long spindly freighter/tanker-looking thing I didn't recognize at all, and a version of the AOTC Coruscant-to-Naboo transport that looked slightly modified to me, although I couldn't swear to it.

So, yeah, Star Tours is not canon per se, but these ships were created by LFL for a high-profile SW thing and they've got some familiar design elements. Have the Fleet Junkies ever tackled these things? What are they? Do they appear elsewhere?

 

DP - Sorry!

 

Honestly, I think we'd need pics to say anything for sure. Though people have generally never been as concerned with IDing civilian craft anyway, in part because there's so many of them in the deep background in the PT.

 

Oh, I get the thing with the civilian ships (although I love following all the designs and especially freighters and Correllian stuff) -- the corvette variant caught my eye, though, as part of that lineage of the CR90, the Pelta (which is basically a rescaled CR90 kitbash), the still-not-quite-there Correllian gunships based on the CR90 concept art, and I guess the accident of the CR70, all of which have fleet applications so it seems like this alternate kitbash might, too. Anyway, I grabbed some pretty dire screenshots off of YouTube videos:





With a CR70 passing overhead....


And for the hell of it, the "freighter thingie" in two pieces (looks ported in from another franchise, really), and the Coruscant freighter with a possible Mon Cal vessel in the background? The latter being sort of interesting because this would all be prequel-era CG (see the CR70 and the fact that this is pre-Disney-acquisition footage) and there weren't any Mon Cal models at that time that I know of... of course that blob could be anything, shades of the blobby ROTJ mystery ships...

 

It’s kind of surprising the AA-9 is still in use after all these years.


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Well, these images come from the pre-show in the queue, and, inasmuch as the ride fits into canon, the pre-ride stuff is still Prequel-era or just thereafter. So the AA-9 is pretty much on point. The current version of the ride *itself* is now ST era (although with some absolute story impossibilities within its storyline already, resulting from a hyperspace jump straight from Jakku to Crait that... well, it's best not to think about it too much), but, that aside, it'll never align with the pre-show (destinations include Alderaan and Imperial City on Coruscant, etc.)

That's also just for the current TLJ tie-in version; the ride will revert to its normal randomized version at a later time. There are odd rumors that the new randomization will be era-specific (you'll get either a PT or ST ride randomly but no mixing) but there's no overlay they can do to the pre-show that will align equally with both eras.

Nonetheless -- the fleets of Resurgents look killer. I actually like the design now!

 

Uuuu, quick glimpse of 4 resistance capital ships including the Raddus! No spoilers

https://twitter.com/ilmxlab/status/935956293633716224

That first ship that passes by, I can't help but be reminded of the Nebulon B-2 frigate from the Tie Fighter video game!

 

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I’m starting to think that the Baleen looking ship might be the Ninka.


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Any chance for two of those 3 SSDs to be Guardian and Lusankya? If they want to have some EU references, of course. The NR could've found the Lusankya unused under Coruscant's surface before it had a chance to flee.

 

I found the idea of Palpatine managing to hide the berthing of an entire 12 mile long SSD, either vertically or horizontally, within the Coruscant cityscape, the capital of the galaxy with a trillion souls on it, without anybody noticing anything amiss, to be one of the sillier and more suspension-of-disbelief straining pieces of nonsense from the old EU.

 

Man, the more I see the Raddus, the more I think the Viscount-class Star Defender just got canonized.

 

DP.

 

Right...? The prototype for it, anyway. Fingers crossed.

Kinda disheartening the Resistance only has 4 capital ships with 3 barely frigate sized. Mothma really screwed the good guys....

 

DP

 

IDK. Given that the fleet is still around just spread out to different worlds this means that as long as the Resistance gets away somewhat each time they can add more. It's like a modular fleet. Lose half get them replaced with even more of a different ship. lose some frigates, get a dozen frigates of various types. They're adaptable af

 

I dunno why you're assuming that's all their ships even in the movie, too. The trailer seemed to depict a number of them - I could be wrong, but I'm expecting at least a Scarif-sized fleet.