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Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Oscar De La Hoya

Discussion in 'Archive: The Arena' started by DarthSubZero, Apr 28, 2007.

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  1. DarthSubZero

    DarthSubZero Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Reccomended only for Boxing or "people who know what the hell this is" people.

    All others might, 99.9% probality perhaps, be shot.
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    Post who you're rootin' for, why, if you're watching, the whole shebang.
     
  2. LordPullus

    LordPullus Jedi Youngling star 3

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    May fifth can't wait. De La Hoya vs. Mayweather is going to be just as good as all the hype were watching now in prelude to the fight. I don't think there's going to be a KO, but it's going to be a slugfest especially with De La Hoya who i think is going to fight his last fight here trying to go out on top, and Mayweather trying to prove once and for all that he is the best poound for pound fightet in the world.

    I expect twelve hard fought rounds, but in the end I'm pulling for Mayweather to overwhelm De Le Hoya's defenses even though I admit I wouldn't be to sad if De La Hoya went out with one last win.
     
  3. DRHJ9

    DRHJ9 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If the fight goes twelve, I can't see Floyd losing. But, De La Hoya is NOT Arturo Gatti. De La Hoya has great hand speed also, and has more power than Floyd. Oscar is also naturally bigger. If Oscar can land his left hook, and actually use his right...he can knock Floyd out.

    Floyd does not have the power to knock Oscar out with one punch. I see him boxing and moving, making it hard for Oscar.

    I hope Oscar gets past Floyd's defenses. Floyd is too "cocky", but with good reason, he is the best pound for pound.
     
  4. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I think Mayweather enters this one very angry over his perceptions following the last Baldomir fight, and crushes The Golden Boy in 12, a typical patient, efficient Floyd Mayweather fight where he'll land a higher percentage of punches without necessarily looking for KO, just kinda "chop wood" the whole fight.

    However, Oscar is a crafty fighter (much moreso than Baldomir, I'd say), and I agree with the above poster--I would not be surprised if Mayweather got knocked out, maybe even fairly early, but that's the only way I see Floyd losing, by KO.

    I'd put my money on Mayweather, just because I see him closer to his peak--the Mayorga domination is almost a year removed for Oscar, and while I think he will compete, I think this'll be decisive.
     
  5. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I have not seen all of Mayweather's fights, but I dare say Oscar will be the hardest hitter he has fought. And Oscar will land punches. I kind of expect Mayweather to come across as faster at first, peppering Oscar and winning the first few rounds, but Oscar will wear him out and take the middle and late rounds if not not him out.
     
  6. DarthSubZero

    DarthSubZero Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Personally, I would love to see De La Hoya beat Mayweather...pound for pound or not, that's just way too cocky a fighter should be...even though his father practically did maybe go hard on him.

    Mayweather is fast, faster than Oscar, no doubt...but Oscar's not slow either. Not only that, he is stronger, bigger, and maybe even more tougher than Mayweather, and has much more experience...he's basically has what Mayweather dosen't.

    I will give Pretty Boy one thing...techinique. Him being more fast will of course grant him more counter punches...but barely, since Oscar's style is Textbook all the way.

    Weather's advantages: Speed, Technique(barely though)

    Oscar's: Strength, Size, Experience.


    My prediction? Oscar wins...8th-10th round KO.
     
  7. DRHJ9

    DRHJ9 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oscar has to connect with power shots, and land his right consistantly. Oscar has been known to rely on his left hook far to often throughout a fight.

    I just hope Oscar does not fade late, like he did against Sugar Shane Mosely. In a fast pace fight, Floyd would and should be favored.

    That being said...I think Oscar has enough speed, power, and knowledge to win. It all comes down to nuetralizing Floyd's speed and backing Floyd down. Like I said before, Floyd does not have the power to knock Oscar out with one punch.
     
  8. Darth_wanderguard

    Darth_wanderguard Game Host star 6 VIP - Game Host

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    I'm pulling for Oscar all the way, just because of his attitude. Mayweather is too arrogant for my liking. Oscar, as he says, lets his fists do the talking.

    Preferences aside though, I think it'll be one hell of a fight.

    Oscar's got power, experience, and a harder jaw on his side.

    Mayweather has speed, and stamina.

    I've got to go with Oscar.

    Damn though, I wish I could see this fight on Pay-per-view. Might be able to find it Youtube later on.
     
  9. Spike2002

    Spike2002 Former FF-UK RSA and Arena Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    De La Hoya MUST win this one. The way Mayweather has been letting his mouth go, he deserves to be shut up. Don't get me wrong, Mayweather is a very talented fighter, but he has too much of a mouth on him.
     
  10. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Atlas is picking De La Hoya, basically justifying it by saying exactly what some people here have said--De La Hoya has a mindset to win, although Teddy also back-referenced Oscar not wanting the middleweight loss to Hopkins to be his last hurrah in boxing, and Mayorga wasn't enough to negate that. A win Saturday certainly would.

    Thus, Oscar may come out hot early, but I still like Floyd in 12.
     
  11. jag29

    jag29 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I think the best way to neutralize Mayweather's speed is for Oscar to be physical with him. Get him in clutches and push him back. Get close and man-handle him a bit. I also think he has to hurt him early in the fight. Body punches always slows down a fighter. A left hook to the body will do wonders.

    This should be a spectacular fight. I don't think Mayweather has the power to knock Oscar out, maybe down but not out. On the other hand Oscar has the power to do just this. If it is a physical fight then Oscar will win hands down. If Floyd stays away and pecks at Oscar the whole night then Mayweather will definitely win.

    I'm still going with the Golden Boy. If he wins this will be his last fight.


    jag29
     
  12. DarthSubZero

    DarthSubZero Jedi Padawan star 4

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    2 days before the fight...man I'm excited.

     
  13. Darth_wanderguard

    Darth_wanderguard Game Host star 6 VIP - Game Host

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    Still wish I could see it live, oh well.

    I agree with those saying Oscar has to really push early on in the fight to win. I'm pretty sure his jaw is harder than Mayweather's, and his superior punching power only gives him even more of an advantage at close range.

    What Oscar needs to do, and what I think will win him the fight is getting right up in Mayweather's face. Take the fight to him, punish him, harass him, don't give him even a second to breathe, chase him tirelessly. Make the fight as physical as possible, and Oscar will take it by knockout. The one downside to this is that Oscar could end up running out of steam earlier than what is desirable.
     
  14. DarthSubZero

    DarthSubZero Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Fight about to begin in my area.

    And I have PPV. :p
     
  15. Darth_wanderguard

    Darth_wanderguard Game Host star 6 VIP - Game Host

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    Whoever has pay-per-view is charged with the assignment of giving us a minute-by-minute update of events :p
     
  16. DarthSubZero

    DarthSubZero Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Aw man...damn the lack of spoiler rules in The Arena. [face_frustrated]

    Well right now is an undercard....so yeah.
     
  17. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I got it live, and personally scored it 5-4 Mayweather, with 3 rounds up in the air, a very perplexing performance from De La Hoya--you'll hear this over and over, but he flat gave up on his most effective weapon, the left jab. That's like Tony Dungy telling Peyton Manning not to throw the ball once after the first minute of a playoff game, unbelievably stupid. Veterans do not enjoy "mental" excuses when it comes to gaping errors like this, and even Oscar couldn't explain why he did it in the post-fight interview. Lampley also made a great point during the fight--De La Hoya was not landing devastating hits most of the time, but every time he came close, the overwhelming crowd reaction most likely influenced at least one of the judges.

    Mayweather is absolutely dominating in terms of his reflexes, but Oscar really looked good in the flurries. Deserving of a split decision, I guess, but I think Floyd landed the most impressive punches. Sounds like Floyd will "retire" (lol) after his interview with Larry Merchant, and Oscar may continue.
     
  18. Darth_wanderguard

    Darth_wanderguard Game Host star 6 VIP - Game Host

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    Very disappointing.

    Maybe they'll fight a rematch?
     
  19. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    That was also discussed after the fight, Lampley favored the idea, and Larry Merchant (who was visably unimpressed with the quality of the fight) wasn't so convinced. I dunno, De La Hoya worked awfully hard to prep for this one fight, and he isn't getting any younger--it was a great fight, but I also think a rematch might not work out so well for the Golden Boy.

    Sugar Shane Moseley was just interviewed by Brian Kenny on ESPN News, and has called out Mayweather, saying he believed Oscar should have won and now he himself wants to face Pretty Boy Floyd.

    Good luck with that, even if Floyd comes out of retirement, Mr. Moseley.

    Floyd Mayweather, Sr. needs to lay off whatever he's on, or find a translator to help us all out in interviews. He also told Merchant he believed his son lost, which is not surprising, considering their extremely dysfunctional relationship.
     
  20. ApolloSmileGirl

    ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Knight star 8

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    From what I hear, the judges where extremely generous to De La Hoya, when it came to the final score, even though Mayweather still won.
     
  21. Darth_wanderguard

    Darth_wanderguard Game Host star 6 VIP - Game Host

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    Wow.

    I wish boxing didn't suck so much now :p It used to be great.

    Anyways, I want to find the fight on youtube as soon as I can. It'll probably be up in a matter of days.

    So Mayweather is retiring?
     
  22. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Wanderguard, if I find a copy, I'll link you to it. Lidell-Ortiz II from a few months ago was on Google Video and DailyMotion within hours of the end of the fight, so there's a good chance this will be too.

    ASG, you'd be right, although I also had the sentiment watching that Floyd was just playing chicken for much of the fight--he landed a substantially low number of punches, and even though on HBO it was easy to see how powerful many of those punches were, it might have been more difficult to see that from the judges' angles. It's a probability that Oscar's wild flurries helped him more than he deserved, as they were weak and ineffective hits, but punches landed nonetheless.

    But in short, yes, I'd agree with what you said.
     
  23. Darth_wanderguard

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    I would 'preciate that ;)
     
  24. Armenian_Jedi

    Armenian_Jedi Force Ghost star 7

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    Oscar threw more punches then Mayweather.

    But Mayweather somehow found a way to land more punches then Oscar.

    inexcusable on Oscar's part.

    De La Hoya only landed 21% of his punches while Mayweather landed 43%

    I'm not exactly sure how any judge could've given a decision to De La Hoya, the fight wasn't even close. Mayweather was toying with him the whole time.
     
  25. DRHJ9

    DRHJ9 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't know about that. Almost everyone scoring the fight, including many analysts from ringside had the fight 7-5 Maywheather. Brian Kinney had it even. I had the fight 6-5 with one round even.

    Emmanuel Stewart and Jim Lamply said the fight was close. So did Teddy Atlas. I believe Burt Sugar had it close too. Max Kellerman is a front runner, who once predicted Zab Judah would crush Kostya Tzu.

    I think Maywheather won, but Oscar getting the nod on one scorecard is not crazy. He pushed the tempo of the fight, was the aggressor, and threw more punches. I don't think he got the benefit of the doubt on the body punches thrown, or the punches landed to the sides of Maywheathers guard. That being said. Floyd still won the fight, imo.
     
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