Force Choke - Darkside Power or Not?

i concur, i would consider it a universal power.
although the jedi refrain from doing it because it is used to kill and thats not their way.
it can lead to the dark side.

So whether or not its dark or light, its effective and awesome!

 

I don't believe that one power is a "darkside" power and another isn't. I don't believe in easy labeling or polarization. In the end, I think it depends upon the situation and intent. After all, both Jedi Knights and Sith lords and apprentices use telekinesis to harm others. Is it a "darkside" power or what?

 

for sure the the force choke is a dark side power i mean when have u seen a jedi use it and also how did anikan learn that so fast i mean he was only a sith for a little bit and hes flingin force chokes left and right?

 

Yes...it's very dark side.

George had Luke use it in the beginning of RoTJ on the guards...he also had him wearing black to confuse us...he wanted us to guess if Luke was going to go Dark ...or stay light.

 

Why would anyone ever think Luke might be evil at the beginning of ROTJ? When we last saw him he chose suicide over turning to the Dark Side and joining his dad. Plus his entrance at Jabba's palace pretty much makes it obvious he's going to pick up Solo who had become a wall decoration.

There's nothing to indicate at all that this is just a Dark Side power. Thinking logically, where would Luke have learned this power? He just thought up a Sith power on his own?? That does not seem likely.

 

It is a darkside power no dought because it is a vile use of the force it causes a slow and painfull death

 

Though he did not turn one year earlier, he has had a year to be affected by that encounter. To become very brooding and moody. The ability to choke is not one that requires training. Just the simple manipulation of the Force on an object or person. Luke did not talk. He did not use a mind trick. He attacked the Gammoreans with the Force. Not with a shove or levitating them out of his way. No, he deliberately assaulted them with the very same method used by his father to punish or torture others. It was even used to inflict harm upon his own mother.

 

Very well said, Sinister. I agree. He had other, more orthodox Jedi options to disarm or dissuade them. He choked them on purpose.

 

In Jedi Knight III: Jedi Academy, Kyle Katarn explains that force powers are not inheritly good or evil, but it depends on how you use them. Although certain powers have been categorized into basic, dark, and light, dark being force powers that inflict damage on others, light powers being powers that heal or protect, and basic powers being simple powers that are balanced between attack and defense.


Sinister, on the first page you said Anakin threw boulders at the Tusken Raiders. I do not remember that scene in AOTC . Where'd that come from?

 

Kyle Katarn is...not an orthodox Jedi. Not really... he may be a good enough guy but his views on life and the force would clash with the traditional council. He'd be another Master Jinn in those days - a rogue.

 

Awww... come on. Force Choke is just a Force Lift followed by Force push around the neck until the target feels choked. That's it: not dark, not light. Any Force users can do that if they want to.

 

Kyle Katarn is an unorthadox Jedi who winds up believing in the Potentium. But as we've seen, Kyle has been tempted at least four times in his life to the dark side. Each time, he's barely avoided going over. Quinlan Vos did. Jacen Solo just did and he believed in the same aspect of the Force training as Kyle. Also, the Star Wars games need to keep things interesting by allowing Jedi to choke and blast others with Lightning.

The novelization which shows everything in greater detail.

That's an inappropriate use of the Force. That's using the Force to inflict harm upon another. Jedi rarely use the Force in such instances. And if they do, they usually try to go for a more humane method. The Sith, Vader in particular, used the choke to punish others including his own wife. Every instance he used it, he was filled with rage. Luke had other options besides choking. There was no reason for him to use the choke, other than he is not all right. He's a Jedi who is subject to using the Force in an unconventional manner.

 

Obviously it is a darkside power. As the first replier said Anakin uses it when he's attacked by the blood carver in Rogue Planet. He uses his anger and fear and doesn't even know what he'
s doing, but he realizes he enjoys the power it gives him.

The force should only be used for defense and protection, never for attack. Jedi's use more disarming or stun related force attacks, where as for sith and darksiders use powers meant to kill or torture.

Luke uses it as self denfense in ROTJ, he had no lightsaber on him and the Gamorrean could've pwned him with his axe.

 

Here I respectfully disagree, if we're talking the shield control room on Mustafarr, it was Obi-Wan trying to shove Vader. Atleast from my point of view. And Vader simply countered, then they struggled with each other until the Force had had enough. But with the rest of your post I agree. Force Choke is a Dark Side power. Plain, simple, easy.

 

This brings up the question of just what exactly the dark side is.

Is it just anger, fear, aggression? Then why do Sith traditions have to be taught? Everyone experiences these emotions. If they lead to the dark side, then you are going to have dark siders emerge whenever you have people trained in the Force or even aware of it. There wouldn't need to be a Sith lineage. And the overall importance of destroying any one particular Sith would pale.

That fact obviously doesn't mesh with the saga. So what is the secret that must be passed down from a Master?

 

...the parallel is with vampirism.
When you destroy the last vampire you end the problem, because it takes one vampire to pass the "disease" on to another. The Sith are a disease in the Force. I think this is what distinguishes them from run-of-the-mill Jedi gone bad. Sith powers are unnatural.

 

I look at it this way there are power that only the Sith use and only the Jedi use. You then have other powers that both can use. But I also look at it as it's not the power that makes you a Sith or a Jedi it's how you use said power that makes you good or evil.

 

You see, I think Yoda knows how to use almost EVERY power there is in the force. He just doesn't use the ones that lead to destruction without reason. He tried lightning on Dooku, but that's because he wanted to eliminate Dooku because of Dooku being a threat to peace. He used lightning in a good way. Too bad it didn't work.

 

The dark side is fear, anger, hate, jealously, possessiveness, obsessiveness and selfishness. All under the shadow of greed. Once a Jedi or a Sith in training embraces these emotions and emotional states, then they are taught how to use the Force to the fullest of their ability. In the matter of Sith Lightning, it is the next phase after one has embraced the dark side. Dooku was taught during the nine years between his becoming a Sith and when he's seen on Raxus Prime. But any Jedi who has trained themselves to let go of these negative emotions, will avoid the temptations of the dark side. And the knowledge of how the Sith operate, their traditions, their methods of madness will be lost once they are wiped out.

There is no such thing according to the films and Lucas, as using it for a good way. Yoda just reflected it back. Nothing more. Yoda knows of the abilities, but there is a difference between knowing of it and using it.

 

Yep. Yoda never actually generated any lightning from his body. He simply set up a deflection barrier and rerouted it back at his opponents.

 

Force choke isn't a dark side power, in my opinion.

I believe that if a force power is generated through anger, and hatred - then it is a dark side power. If you use the force calmly, as Luke did ROTJ, then you are in control of your feelings.

When you let go of your feelings, like Vader, you will do things hastily.

Luke uses force choke for the wealth of the mission. He didn't use it for personal satisfaction, he did it for the wealth of the galaxy. Because in the end, without Leia and Han, the Empire would never had fallen.

There was no way he was going to get past those Gamorrean's, so at the end of the day, what choice did he have?

Overall, although this is probably a comman answer - if you generate force choke through anger, it is dark side - if you force choke for the savour of good people etc. then it is light side. That's what seperates the Sith from the Jedi. Anger and hatred.

 

All Luke had to do was use the mind trick on them, because they are weak willed and not too bright. He didn't ask them to admit him. He didn't use the Force to say, "let me through". He just outright choked the Gammoreans. Luke used the Force in the wrong way during that scene. And consider we never see the Jedi do that, it is telling that he is becoming like his father.

 

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That's a limited view of the Force. They're not unnatural..heck, even things like Rape are natural and observed in the animal kingdom. It doesn't mean it's right, though. The Jedi resist such natural temptations as using the dark side to torture and maim their enemies.

And even if the Sith were extinct, the Dark Side would exist. It needs no specific cult like the Sith to corrupt the minds of force sensitives. A Jedi can fall to the Dark Side with no Sith training, or a force sensitive who was never a Jedi could learn to use the Dark Side without being a Sith.

It's just that most are not as well trained as the Sith are and pose less of a threat to the Jedi and the galaxy.

 

Shooting lightning out of your hands is what I mean by "unnatural".

I used the vampire analogy because it seems to be isomorphic to something in the films: that there is some relevance to destroying the last Sith; that the Sith teachings were passed down from master to apprentice, and not learned merely through disgruntled Jedi becoming aggressive. Also because there are Dracula and Frankenstein influences in ROTS.

In the words of Yoda : "Traditions they are not. The dark side, it is."