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Force Lightning and False Limbs, what's Lucas' view?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sith-Pirate, May 17, 2005.

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  1. Sith-Pirate

    Sith-Pirate Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I've read in more then one article that Lucas says Anakin Skywalker can't use or block Force Lightning with his mechanical arm. Everyone has there own ideas and I'm no different, but what does Lucas say the reason is?

    Also, can Luke use Force Lightning with his false hand?
     
  2. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm guessing that the Force needs a living conduit to conduct a direct attack such as lightning. Vader does hand motions in relation to things like choking, but he doesn't *always* do it. I think it's just habit.
     
  3. Sith-Pirate

    Sith-Pirate Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah, they say the hand motions are not necessary, they're just a way to concentrate. But Force Lightning needs a limb to direct the energy.

    But does anyone know for sure why a false limb won't work?
     
  4. Qu_Klaani

    Qu_Klaani Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Watch ROTJ and see what happens when lightning goes near metallic body parts.
     
  5. Sith-Pirate

    Sith-Pirate Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It looks like electricity meeting water. The lightning seemed to play across Vader's helmet longer then the rest of his body.
     
  6. TIEDefenderPilot

    TIEDefenderPilot Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I know it may not be considered "canon", but in the ROTS X-box game when you play as Darth Vader you can use force lightning; I figured maybe we just never see Vader use Force Lightning in the OT because
    A. It wasn't invented until RoJ
    B. Vader didn't want to use lightning against Kenobi because he knew Kenobi could block it (ala AotC), and he wanted the satisfaction of finally beating his old master/friend in a sword duel.
    C. Vader didn't want to use lightning to kill Luke's innards, especially if Vader wanted Luke to join him in overthrowing the Emperor.

    That's my opinion, at least.
     
  7. LijoT

    LijoT Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well when we go with official Star Wars explanation (with GL at the top), Vader is unable to use force lightning. Even if he would somehow be able to use it, he still won't be able to do it without killing himself, because as the Ep-3 visual dictionary explains, his life support system is quite vulnerable to force lightning - that using it or getting hit by it means the end for Vader ("Nothing can stop that now.").
     
  8. Fist_of_Mandalore

    Fist_of_Mandalore Jedi Padawan star 4

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    And the Vader using Force lightning in the RoTS game has been written off as game mechanics.
     
  9. Sith-Pirate

    Sith-Pirate Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yes, Star Wars Insider Magazine addressed the fact that Anakin uses Force Lightning with his false arm and they said it isn't canon. Though there's no reason he can't do it with his left hand. At least before his little "fall"
     
  10. LijoT

    LijoT Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Also, the majority of people who buy the game aren't expecting the mechanics to be canon, it would be a severe disappointment if they couldn't do some cool and flashy (perhaps all) force tricks with Vader, which would affect the game rating, and the same is true with any "main" player character in a game.
     
  11. Sith-Pirate

    Sith-Pirate Jedi Padawan star 4

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    We know Lucas says a person can't use Force Lightning with a false arm, but what about a false hand like Luke?
     
  12. LijoT

    LijoT Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Luke has used lightning before, but I belive it's shown with his other hand (in TUF too). Also, we have to think about something - Luke's hand isn't purely mechanical, it's synthetic, he feels pain too :)
     
  13. Sith-Pirate

    Sith-Pirate Jedi Padawan star 4

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    In UF he uses his left hand, but Dark Empire, he uses his right.

    I guess in can be disputed if he's using Force Lightning in Dark Empire or just force push though.
     
  14. jawajames

    jawajames Former RSA // stawars.com contributor star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    so.. are ROTS video game spoilers considered movie spoilers?
     
  15. LijoT

    LijoT Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Or perhaps his auto force regeneration ability (as shown in CoPL) made it possible for him to use his hand.
     
  16. TIEDefenderPilot

    TIEDefenderPilot Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Does anyone happen to have the Lucas quote about Vader not being able to use lightning? I'd like to see how he phrased it.
     
  17. LijoT

    LijoT Jedi Padawan star 4

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    so.. are ROTS video game spoilers considered movie spoilers?

    I'd say yes, except in the case of game mechanics. For example, Anakin/Vader dying many times only to come back to life and continue (save/load) have nothing to do with the movie ;) Still it's safe to avoid it all together.
     
  18. KenKenobi

    KenKenobi Chosen One star 6

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    For example, Anakin/Vader dying many times only to come back to life and continue (save/load) have nothing to do with the movie

    Or the fact that we're talking about Vader using Force Lightning, and he's only in mulitiplayer mode (hardly spoiler-ific :p ) and the bonus ANH duel with Kenobi on the Death Star. And if you haven't seen ANH, then you might wanna get outta here quick, because there might be some spoilers for the whole OT! :p
     
  19. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I heard that Ben Kenobi dies. :(
     
  20. KenKenobi

    KenKenobi Chosen One star 6

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    Dude, black that out before you get banned.
     
  21. Sith-Pirate

    Sith-Pirate Jedi Padawan star 4

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    My personal opinion is that Force Lightning can only be sent out through flesh and blood. Anakin lost his arm above the elbow. If he used Force Lightning, it would fire into his arm and fry the more sesitive components in his prosthetic.

    Now, if he leaves the prosthetic off, I believe he could shoot Force Lightning out the stump.
     
  22. sidious618

    sidious618 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    In UF he uses his left hand, but Dark Empire, he uses his right.


    Does this mean that DE isn't canon?!?!?!?! :D
     
  23. Sn4tcH

    Sn4tcH Jedi Master star 4

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    ^^^ I would love to see that too...

    Emperor: Lord Stumpy...

    Vader: Yes my master...

    Emperor: Riiise...

    Vader: Uhm... well...

    Emperor: *pulls up hoverchair* So sorry, I forget sometimes...
     
  24. LijoT

    LijoT Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Does this mean that DE isn't canon?!?!?!?!

    Err..what if his regeneration allowed him to use it, bypassing any mechanical elements in his synthetic hand? Of course, if DE isn't canon, then anything in the EU is not canon, just as it applies to any of the horribly written books (unfortunately) :) In the extreme case, it would be changed from his right to left hand as the fix.

    Vader: Uhm... well...

    Emperor: *pulls up hoverchair* So sorry, I forget sometimes...


    [face_laugh]
     
  25. KenKenobi

    KenKenobi Chosen One star 6

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    Now, if he leaves the prosthetic off, I believe he could shoot Force Lightning out the stump.

    Now, would the stumpage mean that the Force Lightning is less controllable than normal? Or any less powerful? :p
     
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