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Lit From Endor to Exegol - The State of the Galaxy Discussion Thread (Tagged Battle of Jakku Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralNick22 , Sep 6, 2015.

  1. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Relying on the safety measures of a hyperdrive alone is too risky. Planetary shields also aren't always up as it'd probably mess with regular traffic.

    It's like driving around a car with an engine that could be turned into a nuke capable of taking out a city the size of NYC with just turning off the GPS. Doesn't make sense that they wouldn't develop some kind of cheap gravity defense field to prevent it. One nutjob and billions of people die.
     
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  2. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Isn't it impossible to hit a planet in hyperspace, because the "hyperspace shadow" cast by the gravity well will pull you out of hyperspace whether or not you want it to? Isn't that the whole sci-fi-ence behind Interdictor cruisers?
     
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  3. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Can anyone who has played the Battle of Jakku confirm if there is any opening background explained for the battle? Do we know if Ackbar is the New Republic commander there? Is he giving orders & missions to the players?

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Just something about Jakku being an Imperial weapons facility or something like that. And no orders from Ackbar -- you only hear from him in single-player survival missions.
     
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  5. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Technically yeah, but then Galaxy of Intrigue and the ROTS Incredible Cross-Section introduced hyperspace terrorism..
     
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  6. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    Gripping read, here. Jakku made me think of Battle of Jutland and Battle of Salamis. And the mention of the Imperial admiral keeping his forces bulked together made me think Battle of Cannae.
     
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  7. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    We also have a CW-comic (Obsession?), where the Jedi deactivate the safety-features of the hyperdrive of a Venator-SD so they could crash-land the ship on purpose on a planetary surface, while circumventing the protective blockade.

    You'll note, that I didn't rule out the existance of such a protective device against hyperspace-accidents, just its status as being operational at the time of Daala's planned attack. And while I'm unfamiliar with the event from Galaxy of Intrigue, the Pammant-incident was different from what Daala had planned, in that the Questor was obviously in real-space, got damaged, tried to jump into hyperspace and crashed into the planet. It doesn't necessarily mean the ship crashed into Pammant while in hyperspace.

    As to why we don't have more incidents of hyperspace-terrorism I would image, that it would take a lot of knowledge and skill to deactivate such a safety-feature and keeping the drive still hyperspace-capable (Anakin had to steer the VnSD without computer-support in the comic), so it might not even be possible for most to plot a hyperspace-jump with the safety-feature deactivated. Then there is the problem of acquiring a ship large enough to cause more damage, than a turbolaser-barrage or seismic charge and aside from that most people aren't suicidal enough to try such a stunt. Or too decent.

    Concerning the resemblance to real-life battles neither the battles at Salamis, Jutland or Cannae seem to have been as deciding as Jakku. Jutland didn't lead to the destruction of the Hochsee-Flotte, Cannae didn't cause the Romans to surrender (they returned to the strategy of Fabienus, something the Empire should have done, too) and Salamis wouldn't have been such a victory, if Xerxes I. hadn't been such a pussy. After all the reign of the persian godkings only came to an end with Alexander the Great some hundred-fifty years later.
     
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  8. King of Alsakan

    King of Alsakan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If there is such a device to prevent hyperspace accidents I hoped its named the anti-Shawken Device, only appropriate ;)

    It was a hypothetical in the book, saying that a hyperspace collision on a important world would be devastating, and in parenthesis it says even if planetary shields were up the death toll would still be incredibly high from the fallout.
     
  9. smisk

    smisk Jedi Master star 2

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    It seems like explanations of hyperspace technology usually aren't very consistent. I forget the exact passage, but in Twilight Company they refer to a ship coming out of hyperspace 10,000 km away as a dangerous maneuver since being that close to the planet could destroy the ship.
     
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  10. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Guys, please stay on topic. Hyperspace crashes aren't part of the topic. ;)

    --Adm. Nick
     
  11. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Yeah, until it's revealed that the Battle of Jakku ended with a hyperspace crash, Ah-HAH!
     
  12. King of Alsakan

    King of Alsakan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Which will forever be known as the Ackbar maneuver to bring the Battle of Jakku to its epic destructive conclusion. Game. Set. Trap.
     
  13. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well, in astronomical terms 10,000 km is very close. IIRC, according to the ANH-novel you'd have to be 6 planetary diameters away, before you could safely activate a hyperdrive.

    But they are so much more spectacular than ordinary crashes. :D
     
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  14. starfish

    starfish Chosen One star 5

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    I don't know, all those Star Destroyers crashing on Jakku is pretty spectacular.
     
  15. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Thread Update

    Following the release of The Force Awakens, this thread's focus will be expanded into the TFA-era. There are already spoilers appearing about the State of the Galaxy in TFA, but we will refrain from discussing them until after the release of the movie. I will be updating the threads title on Friday, 12/18 and make sure the spoilers warning is completely clear and visible.

    In just over a week, we can discuss, debate, and analyze the factions of TFA! :D

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  16. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red 18X Hangman Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    I was reading some stuff about warp drives from Star Trek, and part of me was thinking that hyperdrives in Star Wars should be retconned into being warp drives instead (while still keeping the "hyperspace" name). The reason being, warp drives work by "bending" the fabric of space around the ship to make it move faster relative to everything outside the warp bubble. So if you're inside of a gravity well, the gravity would disrupt the warp bubble and prevent you from warping...so there's no safety feature to override, you just literally can't warp.
     
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  17. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    What if... TFA doesn't tell us what the state of the galaxy is, and we're as clueless after seeing it as before seeing it (if there's still a galactic New Republic)? :p
     
  18. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    My guess is, according to indications in Aftermath and the finale of Lost Stars, the Imperials disappear for 30 years and return in Force Awakens (another play on the title, the "Force" is literally the Imperial Force returning under a new brand). you'll notice there's a book called "New Republic: Bloodlines" which is set 6 years TFA so if New Republic is the title of the book, they may still be around by TFA.
     
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  19. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    We already basically know that the New Republic is around circa TFA, thanks to The Perfect Weapon. It's not exactly clear when the story is set, but my guess is essentially... basically right then.
     
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  20. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I suspect that we're being expected to believe that the Imperials in the nebula are those which become the First Order. But I anticipate a lot will happen yet.


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  21. Biel Ductavis

    Biel Ductavis Jedi Master star 4

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    Although i would be disappointed, i think you might be right!
     
  22. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Maybe. I don't know though -- there are two more Aftermath books. Unless the fleet admiral is completely dropped, that seems like a silly way to end the first book.

    The Secret Academy has a much more solid FO connection.


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  23. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Agreed, there, to Secret Academy.

    To the Fleet Admiral, being as there is a Super at Jakku I am anticipating that the Fleet Admiral will be there. But we shall see.


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  24. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I feel like for the Argentina comparison to make sense, the FO are extremist neo-Imps rather than actual Imperial remnants. Their philosophy, from what we know, is rather Darwinist in the extreme. We know from interviews that Hux despises weakness of any sort etc.


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  25. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm kinda interested to Read "Before the Awakening" cause they too mention the NR.