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Discussion in 'Literature' started by Rax, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I actually disagree, I think Grand Moff Tarkins position is very much the source of his power. The Empire has established itself in the former Separatist territories (which are mostly in the Outer Rim territories) which the Empire has direct rule over. Grand Moff Tarkin is the head of the Outer Rim territories so he wields direct feudal-like control of all the people there.

    Which gives him authority unlike anyone else.

    Why is Tarkin building the DS? Because he's the only man who can funnel enough resources and workers to the project.
     
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  2. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Not true, since we learn in ANH, that "the regional governours - and Tarkin is one of those - have now direct control over their territories" - which means, that BEFORE ANH they didn't. And he also can't have much official power for his supervision of the DS-project, since that was top-secret.
     
  3. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    That's kind of the thing. Before, Tarkin alone was the guy who had that kind of authority as we see in Rebels and in only one region.

    It's also confirmed in a Rebels comic where a Senator is told the Outer Rim is the only place they have no authority.
     
  4. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Technically, Senator Tural isn't told she has no autjority in the OR, she's told that she doesn't have the right to contest an execution order given by a military commander outside of her jurisdiction.
     
  5. Daneira

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    I think this is the same as the EU, Tarkin is Grand Moff of the Outer Rim and there are sector moffs as well, such as Moff Pryce who is the governor of the Lothal sector. It's weird in Rebels that we never see the senator of the Lothal sector, though presumably they're just on Coruscant, much as Pryce herself was for the bulk of the show.


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  6. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Technically, she says, "The Senate has no jurisdiction here, especially in matters of treason."

    Which could mean a lot.

    But yes, I'm inclined to think Tarkin doesn't have any Senator to deal with, unlike say, Moff Panaka.
     
  7. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    What I still don't get, however, is why Pryce has the cylinders and insignia of a Grand Moff.
     
  8. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Sometimes a production error is just a production error, even for Star Wars fans.

    Albeit, I think she's just the Planetary Governor of Lothal versus Moff of its Sector.

    There's a guy or girl between her and Tarkin going by the old EU ranks.
     
  9. Iron_lord

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    Databank says she governs the whole sector:

    http://www.starwars.com/databank/governor-pryce

    In Tarkin there were only twenty Moffs originally appointed - it's possible that there's still only twenty Moffs and they rule Oversectors, not Sectors.
     
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  10. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Point taken. It's possible the rest of the Moffs are only appointed in ANH. Which would make Leona Tavira a very very recent addition.

    Albeit, I'm now seeing her as Lothal's wife. :)

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  11. Iron_lord

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    In the Legendsverse, the Oversectors were reorganised a bit at some point. Prior to Tarkin's promotion to Grand Moff and assignment to a greater Outer Rim Oversector though - I could see them having roughly the same boundaries in both the Legendsverse and the newcanon.

    Given that Mon Cala is slap bang in the middle of the outer edge of the 12th "Cerulean Spear" Oversector (and Lothal's right near Mon Cala) - if Pryce is indeed one of the 20 Moffs, and Tarkin didn't change their boundaries after all, but simply became boss of every Oversector that included part of the Outer Rim, then that would be her oversector.

    Presumably Delian Mors, Moff of the oversector that included Ryloth, in Lords of the Sith which predates Tarkin, would have the 14th "Red Tails" Oversector.
     
  12. Grievpalpy75

    Grievpalpy75 Jedi Knight star 2

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    I already asked Pablo about this. He said that there is no such thing as a Grand Moff insignia or at least nothing labeled as such. The insignia doesn't mean Grand Moff but priority sector high commander.
     
  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Hm. Interesting. I can buy it, in the sense that moffs are administrative rather than military -- their insignia denotes their ability to command military forces.

    I guess what it means is that a moff and a grand moff have parallel military rank -- it's just that the grand moff applies to a larger territory.

    It's how a proconsul may have imperium over a province as its governor, but there were special grants of proconsular imperium over larger areas.


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  14. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Interesting, yes. Do you have a link?
     
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  16. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Someone needs to do a book of Pablo statements.

    He's already said some pretty radical stuff like the fact Luke was on Dagobah for years because of the "Mortis effect."
     
  17. Iron_lord

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  18. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Random bit of WEG trivia:

    In the Legends universe, Moffs had the honorary rank of High Admiral and High General so they could command Imperial military troopers directly.

    I wonder if this means that Grand Moff Tarkin is equal in rank to Grand Admiral Thrawn in a literal sense.
     
  19. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 51x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/29x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Maybe Krennic's "rank equivalent to Admiral" badge is an example of this "honorary rank" system - which is how he commands the Death Troopers.
     
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  20. Senpezeco

    Senpezeco Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I believe this is the link.
     
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  21. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    It would also explain why Ysanne Isard wore a (red) Grand Admiral's uniform.
     
  22. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This (canon) image depicts Tarkin as Moff.
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    Note that it has only 10 tiles instead of 12, so it's clearly different than the insignia he later wore as a Grand Moff (and the one also worn by Pryce).

    EDIT: Ah, apparently, they "don't look at that stuff." Never mind.
     
  23. Iron_lord

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    So did Armand Isard - with the insignia the other way up. (Ysanne's badge is depicted both ways a lot - but often blue side up, whereas normal officers always have it red side up)

    Without the epaulettes, how do you tell a red version of Admiral's Uniform from a red version of Grand Admiral's Uniform?
    And there was a certain amount of movie-tie-in imagery which depicted ROTS Wayne Pygram Tarkin with it, too:

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  24. Grievpalpy75

    Grievpalpy75 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Yes that's the link.
     
  25. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Out of curiosity, are we actually able to see Tarkin's insignia in ROTS as he walks away? I can't recall.

    They might not put much weight on promotional photos if it didn't make it into the movie.