General Grievous doesn't seem as powerful in ROTS as he was in the Clone Wars Cartoon

I still say if we're going to go all out on the force powers, we should see the force heart crush.

 

This is the danger of CW (and the EU in general) But the CW was like a hyperbole for the GFFA. Everyone's abilities were so hyped and heightened, i mean Obi-Wan blocks laser blasts with his hand ?!?! The CW were marketed for the Cartoon network audience, 5-12 yr olds, IMO. It was a cartoon! I think it was just to establish a reputation, i mean, the basis subtleties of fear, while also looking brillianty wicked. I think that the CW in genral were tricky because they had to cater to the SW community, a very picky one if i do say so myself, while also catering to a group of kids who don't necesarrily care about the plot, and just want to see a good fun action cartoon. Sorry I kind of went off in a whole other direction, sorry. It's late.

 

HE WAS HALF DEAD IN THE MOVIE

 

Though the eu overhyped Grievous, they were trying to create a villian that would be a threat to any Jedi. That's why in the novelization, Mace Windu tells Obi-wan that perhaps he can succeed where others have failed, including himself.

 

clone wars cartoon vs. the movies

general grievous
-(cw) survives clone assult, kills approx 7 jedi, then 2 more later, feared by jedi, pursues jedi, matches count dooku, scary
-(movies) non-threatening, can't wield 4 sabers effectlvely, coward, kills 0 jedi, easily defeated by one jedi, coward (did i already say that)
anakin skywalker
-(cw) leaps out of gunship, kills giant monster single-handedly, mows down droids speedily
-(movies) fights one on one, almost never runs or moves as fast, deflects droid fire and deflects blasts laid back
obi-wan kenobi
-(cw) leaps out of gunship, mows down droids, offensive
-(movies) defensive, slower moves and more laid back
mace windu
-(cw) takes out hundreds of droids and giant pounding machine, half of the time without a saber, crushing grievous and other droids with the force, speedily offensive, flies on a droid fighter, leaps into a gunship, extreme high jumps
-(movies) never uses the force, defensive, takes on droid army with 200 other jedi, falls well once, a second time not so well
yoda
-(cw) super droid exterminator
-(movies) lets his jedi and clones do the dirty work, only fights in one on one combat
kit fisto
-(cw) fights with saber underwater against many droids
-(movies) can only deflect 2 or 3 saber swings before getting slashed across the chest
saesee tiin
-(cw) goes into space and leads clone army
-(movies) can't use a lightsaber worth crap
asajj ventress
-(cw) kills 20 - 30 clones super fast, and 20 - 30 giant monsters
-(movies) (in relation to other jedi) owned by clones

I would say the clone wars series makes the jedi / sith look much better than in the movies or than they'd really be.

 

Actually, Grievous was set to become much more threatening. But then Lucas noticed that he had bodyguards. He asked, 'If he's so powerful, why does he need an army of bodyguards?'
It's in the Making of Revenge of the Sith book. Very much worth it

 

Grievious was a joke in ROTS, nothing more.

 

Mace did use the force in the films, he just didn't use any visible force abilities. When saber fighting, the Jedi are always tapped into the force.

 

1. Everyone seemed more powerful in the cartoon.

2. Mace Windu force-crushes Grievous's central body cavity at the conclusion of the Clone Wars series. This is the cause of Grievous coughing and wheezing as it is observed in RotS.

 

Well after seeing the CW shorts, I was convinced that Greivous would have a spot up in iconic villain Heaven with Vader and Maul, but I was wrong. In RotS, he was stupid. He was in their for half of the movie, then gets ripped apart and burned by Obi-Wan. He's constantly coughing, and seems to have problems with walking.

I asked my 16 year old cousin thought of Greivous in RotS, and he called him "a Hispanic Pot Smoking Lawn mower"

Couldn't of put it better.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^

 

I agree that the characters are way too powerful in the CW cartoon. I mean Mace Windu tearing apart hundreds of battle droids with his bare hands? Come on.

 

In the commentarty of the shows, the director said that he overexaggerated the Jedi powers to give a more cartoonish feel.

 

I haven't seen the second CW season...will just pick it up in Nov on DVD. I LOVED the first season DVD!

YES, CW exaggerates everyone and their abilities. But supposedly all that stuff really happened in the SW universe, and has GL's blessing.

Think of it as Star Wars Anime, folks. It's very stylized, and ultra cool. That's what they were shooting for; Jedis and villains on steroids.

GG was awesome as introduced at the end of the first season. Truly fearsome in a Terminator kinda way. But he very well could have killed off those Jedi the way he did at the top of his game...he was 'undamaged' at the time. He might not have done it EXACTLY how it was shown on the anime', but he did do it.

The other thing to keep in mind with all this is that Obi Wan is the master of the defensive style of lightsaber combat. He focused and was able to defeat GG.

I DO agree that Grievous should have been more of a menace and less of a coward in the film, but he was following orders to go from point A to point B by Palps to help achieve his master plan. And he certainly was NOT supposed to engage Anakin in a fight.

 

I asked my 16 year old cousin thought of Greivous in RotS, and he called him "a Hispanic Pot Smoking Lawn mower"

Well, since he's sixteen, I'll let it go, but that boy doesn't know what an Hispanic accent sounds like. I'd say he sounded more Russian.

But you're right, Grevious was totally baked throughout the film. Didn't you see how red his eyes were? And the paranoia?

 

yeah GG sucked considering this is the last feature film in the series.....i much rather would have perferred ventress in his place....at least you could have had a good non 100% cgi lightsaber duel.....with kenobi's single saber to her two....even if it was a short semi-cheap duel it would have been better than GG's part IMHO.

 

i think that the clone wars were excellent. stories, characters, etc. it's a cartoon, so take it for what it is, but any opportunity to see/read more star wars is the bomb if you ask me. i would have liked to see GG servin up some more industrial strength jedi whoop-a$$, but the story already had too much going on. and because of it, GG gets the shaft in the movie. hey, what can ya do?

 

And it was Gillard who got rid of the four saber duel quickly, because he felt it was too much of a hassle to work out.

 

If you remember the end of the CW Mace had injured Grevious badly with could have effected his abilities in ROTS

 

Exactly Sinister, too much difficulty in choregraphing four vs. one saber duel. At least that was Gillards feeling, hence, we get those cool saber locks that Obi-Wan does to dispatch two of GG's sabers. I think it shows Obi-Wan's skills with a saber (which many on these boards praise without end, so it shouldn't be that much of stretch to think that he could have handled GG)

 

I only have two things to say to Grievous "defenders" here:

1. If Gillard thought 4 sabers was too complicated, why not just not have them in the first place?! No one would've cared. The efficacious use of two sabers simultaneously and regularly is already much more than we are used to seeing. Having a poorly choreographed 4 saber battle is much worse than a well choreographed two saber battle.

2. The fact that the CW shorts are cartoons is almost entirely irrelevant. Yes, they exaggerated people's skills, but they exaggerated everyone's skills. Since everyone recieved more or less equal exaggeration of their powers, relative comparisons between characters should still hold true.

For instance, Yoda can't really steer the massive Federation ladners into each other using only the Force. However, the CW shorts were entirely correct in showing him and Mace as the most powerful Jedi. Or perhaps the Jedi can't take out droids quite so easily as they did in the cartoons. Fine. But the CW depiction of the Jedi as immensely more skilled/capable than the droid soldiers is correct. Therefore, what can we conclude from this sort of information?

The relative power relations between Grievous and the other Jedi should also have been faithful to the film. So if he's shown to be powerful enough to defeat 4 or 5 Jedi at once, he shouldn't suddenly become a weakling that's incapable of handling Jedi in the film.

Yes, the vision of Grievous changed between the time the CW shorts were created and the time ROTS was released. But that's all that happened. There's not really a good in-universe explanation. This isn't about Tartakovsky's cartoons being "over the top" or about the EU "over-hyping" things. This is about Lucas making executive decisions whereby he essentially painted himself into a corner, so that when he decided to fundmentally change the nature of the new character, there was no way to retcon or reconcile it with earlier presentations.

 

outstanding post ^^^

 

Since GG could use each of the four arms independently, there is NO WAY Obi should have been able to stop him with one blade. He could have attacked Kenobi on four planes at once...no way he could have blocked EVERY blade. It's INCONCEIVABLE! (haha...loved The Princess Bride )

BUT..........having said my peace and counted to three...ultimately it's just a movie and it all worked fine. Dooku, Palps, Vader, GG...GL had too many villians in one picture so GG went out like he did.

 

Lucas was the one who came up with the four saber concept. It was up to Gillard to work it out on screen, because humans do not have four arms. And so Gillard came up with the idea of Obi-wan taking out two of the sabers early. Lucas agreed to that and ILM put it together. Lucas was inspired by "The Golden Voyage Of Sinbad" which had a similar fight take place, only it was longer, but different.

The cartoons were being done before ROTS was finished. Lucas changed the General's story midway through. However, the rest of the expanded universe had Grievous' story locked in. James Luceno was almost finished with "Labryinth Of Evil." Matthew Stover had another draft for ROTS to go through, before he was complete. Haden Blackman and Chuck Dixon was putting together their stories involving Grievous. Genndy Tartakosky was in the middle of doing season three.

Lucas had decided to let the folks at Lucasbooks continue with Grievous as he was initially concieved. Tartakosky was still flexible, so he had him add the coughing fits and highlight the role of the Magnaguards. When taken in context, it would be seen that Grievous was damaged goods and that this would result in his becoming more cowardly. One to rely on his henchmen rather than fight himself, unless it was a last resort.

However, Luceno and Stover had finished their work and were unable to add the cough in. Tartakosky could, which was why we see Mace crush his chest.

 

I can't believe people are complaining about a lightsaber duel being too "unrealistic" because one combatant is wielding four sabers. They stepped over the line this time!
I can no longer suspend my disbelief.

Easy, Obi-Wan could fight him because he used the force. That's always a good Star Wars answer. Grevious was no force user, thus Obi-Wan handled him.