Saga General Theory of Lightsaber Color

Except the theory doesn't work without any kind of intent behind it. Otherwise it's as baseless as Ezra being Snoke.

 

What do you mean?

 

I mean, for the theory to work, it requires some deliberate intention for green blade wielding Jedi to be wiser than their blue brethren. However, because green blades were never meant to exist in the first place, the very fact betrays the idea of wiser Jedi wielding green blades. Especially when you do look in the saga, and see that green bladed lightsaber wielders don't always win.
Qui Gon - Felled by Maul
Anakin - temporary lightsaber is sliced into two by Dooku
Yoda - Bested by Sidious

The theory holds up neither OOU or in universe.

 

People who have blue blades are generally better duelists. Being wise doesn't mean being the better fighter. And I would say Qui-Gon and Yoda were intended to be wise. Anakin doesn't really count because that lightsaber wasn't his. It was just some random blade he used for a short amount of time.

 

Better duelists, eh?

Obi-Wan - shoved off a platform wielding a blue blade in TPM
Obi-Wan - sliced up by Dooku in AotC
Obi-Wan - knocked unconscious by Dooku in RotS.
Anakin - arm chopped off by Dooku
Luke - Hand chopped off by Vader

And if you talk about fights in general, Obi-Wan lost to Jango on Kamino and got his lightsaber knocked out of his hand by Grievous on Utapau. Then he died wielding a blue blade. Anakin got his apprentice saber chopped in half on Geonosis. If you ask me, blue blade wielders have worse luck than those who wield green ones.

 

Obi-Wan didn't lose to Jango, Jango escaped.
But yeah, color meanings were just a stupid EU thing.

 

A stupid EU thing? Watch your mouth! Many of us invested in that old EU!

 

Thanks Bazinga'd

 

Jango cut the line in order to try and kill Obi-wan. Obi-wan didn't stop him from escaping. Ergo, he lost.

 

Obi-Wan was a blue blade duelist and managed to defeat Darth Maul who had just defeated his master, a green blade duelist. Using his master's saber to do that doesn't mean he became a green blade duelist during the few seconds he took to regain the high ground against Maul - that's not how lightsabers and training works.
Obi-Wan did lose to Dooku more than once, but the reason is made clear multiple times - he was the master of his master, trained by Yoda and by Sidious. He didn't ask Anakin to take him together both times just because they were best buds. The experience gap is far too wide to make any comparison about colors.
Anakin wasn't even a Jedi Knight when he tried to take on Dooku alone, he was but just a padawan. And even though he was the chosen one, Dooku was still the master of his master's master. Yet, few years later, his powers doubled since the last time they met and he defeated Dooku, without the constant help of Obi-Wan, maybe be because he was the chosen one, but maybe in spite of that, because he was a blue blade duelist.
Luke was never a blue blade duelist. All the way up to episode V, he was just carrying Anakin's saber, like Obi-Wan carried Qui-Gon's to defeat Maul. Luke turned out to be a green blade duelist in episode VI, when he was already wise.

But I'm not even saying that Blue blades and green blades mean better duelists and wiser Jedi. I mean only to demonstrate that a lot of ideas about the meaning of blue and green saber do seem to fit most Jedi if you are willing to look at them from a certain point of view. And since nobody knows what the point of view of the Force is, one of them might just turn out to be the right one. We just have to speculate on what possible meanings there could be to find the one that is either the most fitting or most general of them. But opening another thread might be better to do that.
Then when we DO find that possible meaning we just have to apply some Occam's Razor reasoning to be actually justified in defending it.

 

I'm gonna simplify things a bit.

Red is the color of passion. Blue is serenity. Green is nature .

 

Any attempt to assign in-universe meaning to lightsaber colors always ends up as mere cherry picking and confirmation bias. Both of which can be exposed easily.

 

Jango ran away. Obi Wan returned perfectly alive to where Jango was ready to continue the fight.
Darth Basin That's cool. You can still enjoy all of that stuff, but that doesn't change the fact that most of it is garbage.

 

So much negatively here.

 

Jango left, he didn't know that Obi-wan was still alive. He didn't see Obi-wan survive his fall. Either way, Obi-wan failed in his objective. Jango won the fight. Obi-wan did not.

 

The winner of the fight would be the one that has the upper hand. Jango left Obi-Wan for dead on a ledge and escaped scot free.

 

This thread is going off the rails.

To quote GL " A lightsaber is just a tool..... "

 

The color meanings, when it came to the Jedi anyway, were assigned by rank in the Old Republic. That custom later became obsolete due to certain types of crystals being commonly found on Ilum as opposed to others because of the increasing rarity of crystals that weren't blue or green.

So, I don't know where you guys are getting your information from. It's not exactly stupid when you haven't even bothered to look into it.

 

Maul defeated Kenobi in the sword duel itself, where by Maul also Force pushed him into the shaft . Kenobi would use Jinn's fallen lightsaber(green blade) to wound Maul on Naboo and defeated him in a similar manner to how Kenobi would go to defeat Vader - cept that time it was Vader doing the jumping. Both of them had blue colors. The color means nothing.


Kenobi: " ..you'd rival master Yoda as swordsman."

Anakin: "I thought I already did."


Kenobi: "Only in your mind my very young apprentice."

Canon's explanation makes more sense overall insofar as its more a personal and personalized thing to the individual's spirit and personality. And there is an added mystical element to the crystals themselves, an almost divine-like quality. The EU more needlessly segregated certain individuals into special classes or elite groups based on their color blades which seems out've of sync for the largely collectivist and non-individualized Jedi Order.

It also got rid of the synthetic kyber stuff for the red blades and came up with a more interesting approach. Where Sith Lords apparently are the only ones able to change the color to red, as they cause the crystal to "bleed", as they completely dominate them and make them yield to their will. It kinda makes the kyber crystals more of a living organism. I often wonder if Maul was attempting to do the same to the Jedi holocron on Rebels.

 

That's why they no longer meant anything.

Also, Lucasfilm's current approach makes lightsabers seem like glorified mood rings.

 

It's nothing more than a contrived gameplay gimmick, along with Jedi 'classes', that doesn't follow nor is consistent with what was presented in the movies. You're basically tying colors to certain traits and behaviours, when both the colors and characters weren't created that way.

 

I don't see the purpose in calling it a contrivance within the context of the films when they were used that way in a completely different era of the Star Wars universe.