Saga George Lucas Canon

George Lucas considered The Force Unleashed an actual chapter in his Star Wars .

https://www.cnet.com/culture/george-lucas-ushers-in-star-wars-the-force-unleashed/

Witwer also confirmed this a few times. TCW and TFU were adjacent projects in the "Lucas-verse" at the time.

Disney Neo-Canon almost saw Starkillre Marek and Master Kota appear, one on Rebels as an Inquisitor and the other in an early version of Rogue One.

 

Season 7 was produced post-Lucas which places it on a lower tier, even though much of it originates from his tenure.

 

But weren't the stories and previz developed during his tier?

 

Well like I said in my tier system Filoni canon comes just below Lucas canon, and that’s where season 7 sits.

 

Only the Bad Batch arc, but even that suffered some changes that he had no say on.

 

The old Expanded Universe can coexist with George Lucas' Canon. Of course, George said more than once that he didn't consider the Expanded Universe as part of his personal head-canon, but the Expanded Universe was officially considered Canon by the Lucasfilm company before 2014 and it fit with Lucas’s Canon. So I think the old expanded Universe and Lucas' Canon can coexist together.
Anyway, I think defining exactly what is part of George Lucas' Canon is complicated, because Lucas said something different every time he was interviewed. There are interviews where he says that TCW is part of the story, but there are also interviews where he says that the 6 films are the only thing that really matters, and that TCW is a completely different universe. So, to define exactly what's part of George Lucas' head-canon is extremely complicated, and so I think we shouldn't focus too much on this subject. For me it's much more important to define what is part of my Canon.

I'm an EU fan and I'll like to reply to this
I respect George Lucas and I thank him for giving me the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy, but I think in the last years of his ownership of Lucasfilm he had a reprehensible attitude towards EU authors. In my opinion, the moment you assign authors the task of writing stories set in your universe, then you must take note of the fact that your vision is no longer the only possible vision and that you must have respect for the work of others. Just because you are the creator doesn’t mean you don’t have to behave responsably towards those you have taken on. But again, this is a behavior he started to have only in the last few years of his ownership, so I only blame him for that. But I totally approve pretty much everything he did until 2005/2006.

 

...continuing

What he did with Dave Filoni was very disrespectful to all the authors who spent hours of their days writing the stories the show contradicted. If you want to create a work set in a certain era of the universe, then you have to make sure that other authors didn't write works set in that same era, otherwise it's disrespectful and create unnecessary contradictions.

 

George's canon was more or less his 6 films (most recent edits/special editions), most or all of TCW, and The Force Unleashed. And then of course statements from him about the lore that sometimes weren't addressed anywhere else.

 

The Force Unleashed was not George Lucas canon, despite statements by the developers that it was canon

 

That's just factually incorrect and downplaying Lucas's involvement in the show

 

It is not, he wasn't the only creative voice in TCW, other writers and especially Filoni played a big role in shaping that series, claiming it's just George's doing is downplaying everyone else, in the 6 movies he's the sole creator of the story, in TCW, he never wrote a single episode, just gave ideas for arcs, ideas that became less frequent as the seasons went on, so what? should we count only season 1 as "George Lucas canon"?

I may be misinterpreted, i'm not saying the ammount of Lucas imput in TCW and TFU is the same, i'm saying that TCW isn't solely from his creative vision, much like all the other projects he kickstarted with his ideas but had other people involved, it's just the example that has the most involvement and imput from him, yet it is not the same as Episodes I-VI, that wouldn't make it "his canon" and the proof is in the very fact that T-Canon was a tier below G-Canon, indicating that the "George Lucas' vision only" canon would be G-Canon and not the rest, which have other influences even if they are ultimately held by what G-Canon establishes.

 

I mean then that still is a weird way to interpret things too

(So the original Trilogy)

Episode IV wasn't directed by him and co-written by others...Heck George didn't even write the first draft he gave it to Leigh Brackett....So that wasn't "Souly" Lucas vision as well

George was intimately involved in Clone Wars ...and heck even Pablo Hildago says that if you want to know most about how Lucas viewed Star Wars to watch Clone Wars.

So as far as i'm concerned TCW is on the level of Episode 1-6 hence why that show remained canon in the first place and not the 2D Clone Wars.

Again i think you are downplaying how George saw TCW.

Otherwise it wouldn't have been kept in canon when the "Canon" rebooted.

So again...that's not factually true he was very involved in later seasons not less.

And just because you don't directly write a single episode doesn't mean you aren't heavily involved....It's his company he could technically be involved as he wants and not directly write anything.

Lucas was de-facto Showrunner of that show and Showrunners don't techinally have to write ANYTHING for a show, that's more a modern day thing. We know that he also brought in a lot of his unused ideas like Mortis into TCW. Lucas himself sees TCW as very much "His world" even he wasn't "Writing" it but he saw it very much as "His" Star Wars. He made others "Execute it" but they were executing his will.

Plus again I ask...Why does TCW survive the great decolonization and not the 2D Show...If all they wanted to keep was Lucas Canon then why does TCW survive?

@Alexrd
You know interviews got any linking Lucas inovlment with TCW.

 

But the 2D Clone Wars wasn't T-Canon, it was C-Canon, T-Canon was just TCW, which is probably because of this greater involvement from Lucas, yet it was separate from G-Canon precisely because it wasn't just Lucas' vision what shaped the show.

Sure V and VI were co-written, but Lucas was still the one that wrote the entire story and it was part of his overall six (or twelve? three? nine?)movie saga that he wanted to tell, and even the episodes that are co-written have more direct George Lucas writing than all of the TCW episodes combined lol.

I'm not denying that TCW is closer to the "Lucas canon" than the EU, but at the same time, it's not directly it, that's the six movies, the ones Lucas was the creative voice and that was it, TCW had a lot more creative influences especially from Filoni, which makes sense as Lucas wanted Filoni to have that role, he even mentions sometimes that Filoni doesn't always agree with him or doesn't do things the way he wants, and that's okay because that was the point of TCW, it wasn't to be George doing everything, and by the Fifth and Sixth seasons there's barely any influence from George, yet it still counts at T-Canon.

It was kept in canon because of Lucas' involvement, sure, but that doesn't make it exclusively "Lucas' vision" saying it is is kinda false and downplaying Filoni's creative contributions, also it was kept as canon because of Rebels, which had ties to TCW, being made to kickstart the new canon, Filoni's works were already pretty divergent from the old EU, and it was a chance to use TCW as the basis for taking the universe in a different direction, if anything Filoni's involvement in TCW was more important for why it was kept canon than George's.

 

@Irredeemable Fanboy

I mean if you want to interrupt it as the most direct version "Lucas canon" sure but I still think George had more involvement in TCW by the Fifth and Sixth Seasons at least...Seventh season is obviously the one that is no since well...Tha'ts that.

So If you wanna go with a direct interuptiation of it sure...But i don't agree and still say TCW is still "George's" first and foremost.

Basically i can't agree with that interpretation of things.

 

I think that the only thing that counts as his canon alone is the 6 films, TCW has creative control by Filoni as well so it's not a direct window to "his world" whatever that is, it consider it shared between the two creatives, which is why T-Canon was it's own thing, really, i think it's much more consistent that way.

 

Well Lucasfilm itself would consider TCW "George's Canon" just as equally internally according to what i heard.

Plus at the end of the day...George was the boss and if he wanted Maul back then he got Maul back.

So it's not a 50-50 partnership. It's Master and Padawan as Filoni would say.

If anything it's George's vision being executed by someone, but still George in the Captain's chair.

 

No, it isn't. It's acknowledging the fact that he was the creative in charge, providing the stories and approving the content throughout its various stages of development, and who had final say on things, just like in all of his movies.

That's false. He didn't write the screenplays of the episodes, but just like everything else, he approved them and changed them whenever necessary. And the screenplays were developed from the stories he provided. And with the exception of the first season (starting with Dooku Captured), virtually all the episodes were from stories he provided. His stories were not less frequent as the series went on. It's actually the other way around. He became less involved in the technical part of the production (shooting, editing) because guess what, the team actually learned what he taught them, which was the point.

Filoni and Lucas himself have explained his involvement many times over the years, Filoni goes more in-depth on podcast interviews, and I can post some comments and interviews later on, but it's really not a secret.

 

So yeah, there was more than one creative voice making the show, so it wasn't just Lucas' canon, especially later on, saying it should be "Lucas canon" because he was the one with the idea for many of the stories is rather backwards when comparing it to some other stories like the Holiday Special or TFU, which aren't "Lucas canon", i certainly wouldn't count the entirety of the series "Lucas canon" but just some bits, and even those aren't extent from Filoni's involvement, TCW was a project of both, it's not just Lucas' doing, unlike the movies, in which he alone had the vision that brought them to life, in TCW it is Lucas and Filoni, and again, with the movies, he wrote them, unlike TCW, the only thing set in stone as "Lucas canon" is the six movies, because TCW has other influences and his comments on interviews are constant subject to change.

 

There was Lucas's voice dictating what is and isn't, what is accepted, what's allowed, what reflects his vision and story. No different from the movies. The story comes from him and everything else is filtered through him and finally approved by him. Filoni is a creative but he was always subject to Lucas.

Did you read what I posted? It was Lucas' canon. He wrote the stories, from which screenplays were developed and he had to approve everything, not only the screenplays but the episodes at various key stages of production. Again, no different from the movies. Approval is not simply saying yes/no, it's actively changing and shaping things, big and small, to conform to what he wants. As the series went on, he provided more stories, not less. Only half of season one had stories that he didn't come up with, but even those were developed with his involvement, supervision and approval.

 

For me, I don't distinguish between Lucas Canon and Disney Canon. To me, it's all one Canon - it's all Star Wars. The only time that I would not view material as Canon in the Disney era is if they crossed over with anything Marvel in any shape or form. For me, that would just be Marvel garbage and I would ignore it - because Marvel has absolutely no place in the Star Wars universe. A good story (Star Wars) would be spoilt and sullied by Marvel crap.

The only thing I do wish though is that I wish Disney never did away with the old EU; but rather built stories on from that.

 

Here's a neat video of George working on TCW, changing a storyboard to fit more into his vision of the episode Lair of Grievous.

 

My understanding was that Lucas was more involved with the technical aspects during season 1, and delegated the writing to others, but enjoyed it all so much that he also became involved with the storytelling in later seasons. So he got more, not less, involved with the storytelling as the show went on.