ST George Lucas created the exiled Luke on Ach-To idea

No. He gives her 3 lessons (of which we only see 2) about why the Jedi should end.

He rejects ever training her.

She offers herself for training after the wooden staff duel in the rain duel but he rejects her yet again.

She then say that Ben Solo is the last hope and leaves.

 

the three lessons i would consider training. maybe not jedi training but training nonetheless.

 

Jedi Training is more achieving the right state of mind than it is "training". Especially in the OT, before the PT made a hash of it.

Rey has the original Jedi texts with her, but more importantly she has the knowledge of the harmfulness of pride that plagued the old Jedi. And we're not ignoring the possibility of Luke popping in with some guidance at a rough time.

 

This doesn't happen at all.

 

luke told her so.

 

Yeah, Luke whines about it. But it is not some key lesson that Rey really acknowledges throughout the film. Hell, she actively rejects Luke's pessimism about the Jedi Order.

 

so you think she'll forget what they talked about.? right.

 

Forget? No, I just don't think it is some serious lesson that Rey is going to take to heart.

 

It's both considering there are no 'oops let's try this again' when practicing and training with a lightsaber. Seriously, one slip of the hand on an active lightsaber in the rain and you've lost that hand.

 

Lessons yes. Can she gain some slight insight in a pre-training aspect?

Sure but it's not actual training.

Did Luke instruct her when she was using the Lightsabre? No.

Did he direct her to the cave? No.

Did he ever agree to train her? No.

That is why she left because he wouldn't train her.

Not sure what that is in reference to but the training in the prequels was of course done by Anakin for years off screen.

The point is that he had training and that was exactly about the right state of mind as we saw with Anakin in AOTC.

Training as a Jedi is both mind and body and the same time.

Once we found out that TLJ was going to pick up immediately after TFA I knew that there was likely going to be no actual training for Rey at all or at best an even more condensed version of what Luke got in TESB. In Luke case though he at least did some self training possibly with communication from Obi-Wan for several years.

She didn't believe him and Luke didn't really believe it either. If he did then he would have never started the Jedi training temple in the first place.

The point is that he was blaming himself for his failure and transferring his failure to the failure of all Jedi and rationalizing that the Jedi should end.

If he really believed it then he would have burned the tree himself. When Yoda did it he was upset because he thought the texts were destroyed.

 

He didn’t seem interested in staying on Jakku too long.

 

Well, despite the “throwing away” George’s ideas, the ST is discussing Jedi knighthood and making moral choices. And it is murkier. Only ANH was B&W. Remember the poem from the TFA novel. Jedi insight can distinguish the light and the dark within the grayness of things.

Luke did so by resisting killing Ben.
Rey did so by refusing to join Ren.
Luke and Leia accept Ben is hopeless, and they accept Luke’s failure.

How come people are paused off Luke failed? No pissed off at Obi-Wan for failing? And Luke surprisingly speaks disrespectfully of his nephews namesake.

Hell, both Obi-Wan and Luke fail as teachers, Yoda is batting .500, and only Anakin has a perfect record.

 

Remember that they threw Lucas' Treatments, as a whole, aside. Just because they apparently used Lucas' idea, of Luke being in Exile on an island, and training a girl, doesn't mean Lucas would have done what Rian Johnson did with the concept. Luke's TLJ Story: initial instinct to kill Kylo Ren in his sleep - his attitude on the island, ie. shutting himself completely off from the Force - Milk Scene, is all on Rian Johnson; who wanted to change things up. I am sure Lucas would have handled it much differently.

I think people are just finding a way to blame Lucas, for Johnsons' botching of Luke/TLJ.

 

I had a problem with the milk scene, not because I’m vegan. It should have been green to complement the blue milk. Then we see Ren drinking red milk.

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Sorry for the double post above.

Can’t blame technology this time. Carelessness.

 

Source: http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

Skywalker training a new disciple named Kira (who was later renamed Rey). The idea was that, 30 years after the fall of the Empire, Luke had gone to a dark place and secluded himself in a Jedi temple on a new planet. The paintings show Luke meditating, reassessing his whole life. There is a jedi killer shown aswell (kylo), and a sith ghost looming over luke while he meditates.(snoke?)

Personally I like that this idea made it to the films. the broken luke is all part of luke's hero journey like in mythology which George pulls a lot from. I still dont like the way he became broken in TLJ and how he kinda just gave up rather then reassessing his life but im starting to like this concept more. Also interesting to note that George was gonna scrap the EU aswell.

 

I have no doubts that they did use Lucas' ideas. It was just the execution and story telling I believe that threw many off. I'm still trying to process it, but I dug it because Mark played it perfectly and so convincingly. With the theme of redemption being one of the main themes in this saga, I feel that Luke should be redeemed. Yeah he found peace in the force, but I feel like he should have had a happier ending.

 

I mean... Seriously? Now fans are blaming Lucas for TLJ backlash and harsh critics from another group of fans instead of the writer and director of the movie, Rian Johnson?

When will people leave the old man alone?

 

Merged threads.

 

Why not?

I mean, Luke was obviously down on himself and the order. But he never-the-less chose exile at the first Jedi Temple, and he wasn't wrong about the hubris and pride of the Jedi. I imagine he got a lot of his details from Yoda and Obi-Wan.

 

Not really? A great deal of the TLJ hate seems to be coming from PT fans who either had a bone to pick with the ST from the start or wanted it to do more "worldbuilding". It seems to me that many of the movie's critics who are complaining that Exile Luke is out of character are implying that Lucas wouldn't have written him that way, when it was originally Lucas's idea.

I don't see anyone here claiming that Lucas is the reason they hated TLJ. In fact, most critics of Exile Luke seem to be claiming that Rian Johnson must have perverted George's idea somehow.

 

what would yall's feelings about ghost snoke showing up in 9 along with ghost luke trying to prey/save rey and kylo bc obviously the link is still there. I think that could cause some excellent drama especially with kylo. Bc kylo would look crazy talking to himself and hux could use that to try and take over the first order

 

Why should Luke train her?

He trained 12 Jedi and it went bad. He knows he cannot turn Ben like he did his father. And none of the training he received from Yoda was involved in that achievement. That was Luke finding his own way.

So why is it considered OOC that he would not be encouraged to train Rey?

 

I would say the training luke received from yoda in ESB is very similar to the 2 out of three lessons rey got from luke, I know the third lesson is going to be in the deleted scenes on the DVD, I cant wait to see it. as far as physical training luke could have instructed her some more offscreen we dont know about true time passage in any of the star wars films, rey might have been there for three days or three weeks or three months. who knows for sure.

 

No.....No he isn't

 

I really loved what TLJ did with Luke and felt like it as a natural progression from ROTJ, so this is a nice surprise.