Senate Gun Control

There's been more school shootings with shotguns or handguns than with assault rifles.

And the deadliest school shooting in the US was Virginia Tech, and that was just with handguns. So was Umpqua. And Santa Fe and Red Lake were both a mix of shotguns and handguns. All 4 of those are among the US' 10 deadliest school shootings. Not sure why you genuinely don't care about them.

 

Feel like aspects of American gun fetishization might be antithetical to responsible gun ownership, after all if you’ve got a firearm for the express purpose of blowing the brains out of a home invader then keeping it locked up and unarmed defeats the entire purpose.

 

At least some of that might be alleviated if there were to be a creation of some sort of group that would protect people if they were in danger. I think some other countries have those.

 

Thats unfair, we have a group that is very capable of protecting people going through mental health episodes from being alive.

 

Must have been the tampons in the bathrooms.

 

We must do more, and doing more will reduce/prevent violence.

And I’ve also accepted that all those guns out there will be so hard to discard even once banned. There’s just so many out there. And so many more people who would just start dealing guns on the black market. Especially now with 3D printing, but that’s not the only factor. There’s just so many, and so many who would break the law, including at least a decent percentage of local/state police and former military and federal agents. Perhaps a true crackdown would be possible, with today’s surveillance state, but that would just make some of their conspiracies come true and form right-wing militias. It can’t go that far, even if we somehow got the political will and legal approval.

That’s no excuse not to try do what we. can and should, taking action will save lives. I’ve just felt defeated on the bigger picture of this issue for a long time.

 

Allegedly, he had been investigated already over reports that he threatened to do this with an account that was a reference to Adam Lanza. He would've been like 2 when that happened. In which case that'd not just be a thing that he remembers. But society has done a very good job since then of teaching that this is what you do.

 

Like all the Xmas family photos with their guns in hand. They're worshipping something, and it ain't Jesus though. It's sick.

 

Good to hear that they are beginning to charge these school shooters parents. These kids are getting these guns from somewhere and pretty good chance in many cases they are getting them from parents who aren't being very responsible with their guns.

 

The father, Colin Gray, was in court today being charged. He was shaking back and forth as he listened to the charges.

Buying a 13 year old a gun, for Christmas, after he's already been investigated and interviewed for threats/warnings, is just insane and purely reckless.

 

And you know he likely just did it because he wanted to stick it to the government. Well he will be in jail getting his butt kicked for the next how many years.

 

I just hope parents are watching and securing their guns. For goodness sake people put locks on cabinets so toddlers can't get cleaning supplies but they leave guns around? Or worse in this case buying a gun for a child???

 

A lot of these parents are completely anti-government. They view themselves as the victims of an evil government who is trying to take away their rights. So don't get your hopes up.

 

I do feel somewhat bad for the kid. He has to pay the consequences as he knew it as wrong …but his parents failed him totally.

At 14, I knew right from wrong but I had no clue how the real world worked. I hung out w some kids (one of whom was the son of the police captain in our town and was getting into a lot of trouble but always got off Scott free) and would do stupid crap in store parking lots. But at 14…I got a sega genesis for Xmas and played sonic. Not a freaking weapon, Giving a teenager - who was already having problems and making threats - a gun is just stupid and uncaring. That “father” deserves everything coming as well.

I remember growing up playing w tpy guns. I remember going to toys r us and buying a wooden rifle. I had battery toy machine guns. But my wife and I won’t let our kids (5 and 2) have any ..ever. We won’t even allow them to watch Paw Patrol because it’s about puppy cops. It’s a far different world today than the 80s.

 

So glad the dad is seemingly going away for decades. If the parents are careless with the weapons they deserve to be charged second hand. If you have a gun. Have that **** locked down.

 

I wouldn't say people are all that much different than they were back in the day. Bur they are just exposed to a lot more now. When something bad happens now we hear about it whereas prior to the Internet running the world and the 24 hour news stations unless something happened locally we were often oblivious to what happened elsewhere.

One thing that has changed in people though is that they get ideas in their heads more now because of all the attention big news stories get. Back then many kids wouldn't even get the idea of going to school and shooting up the place. Not because there weren't kids who wouldn't do it if the opportunity arose but they weren't exposed to the idea of it like they are now.

 

I do think it's appalling that they're charging the kid as an adult, given that he was not an adult. He's a minor, and should be charged as a minor.

 

Generally the reason they do that is because the punishments are more severe. If they charged him as a minor he very likely would be walking the streets again in the not to distant future. There was a kid back in the '80's who brought a gun to school and killed the principal and he's been a free man for sometime now. This way the kid will be where he belongs for the rest of his life after killing four people and shooting eight others.

Edit. Just looked it up. That shooting happened in '85 and he was released in '91.

 

Either 14 year olds should be treated as adults or they shouldn't. "They're kids unless we really want to do stuff to them" is not something I think is a morally acceptable stance.

And I'd also say that if you want the shooter to be considered an adult, then the father is off the hook because you're now holding an adult responsible for the actions of another adult, rather than someone who was definitely not an adult and he was responsible for the well-being of.

 

These laws regarding minors are there to give these kids a second chance. Some crimes though are so heinous that they shouldn't be given that chance. Taking a military weapon to a school with the sole intention of causing mass casualties is one of those crimes that the people that commit them don't deserve a second chance regardless if they are just a teenager.