ST Han Solo/Harrison Ford Discussion Thread

I found it repulsive that they used Han so Kylo could forgive himself, and it was really, really too much to reenact the scene where Kylo killed him. Because he's dead, he doesn't get a do-over where Han lives. And the "I know" was a really stupid memberberry. That's Han and Leia's.

 

Could Kylo not remember his dad when he had a good hair day?

 

Loved that scene and is one of my favourite in entire Saga. Funny how we view things differently

 

the two Han/Kylo scenes are my favorites of the ST

 

I know

 

Not sure what the spoiler policy is right now. Best line:

Spoiler

"I know." This is the best line in the movie. The context is different of course, but far more pivotal. The audience did a collective "Awww".

Ford might not hate SW but he does not come across as a fan, or at least he sure as hell does not like it as much as Indiana Jones. But I have to think that as an actor he looked at this scene that they wanted and loved it.

 

Stealing Han and Leia’s line for Darth Elmo is so on brand for the ST. I’m glad I haven’t seen it, because I’d’ve booed.

Han got destroyed in the ST and I’m glad a few more people are realizing it, but not enough. Having him back to “forgive” Emo would be the crowning insult, but they also left him out of the shot with Luke and Leia, so that it looks like the Skywalker Twins never cared about him, so that wins.

 

Han suffered from LF obsession with Kylo, as did a lot of the characters.

 

Really glad they somehow got Harrison back for TROS such a great actor

 

I wonder how much money they had to dump on his lawn to convince him to come back.

 

I love the "Darth Emo" thing on these boards. Yeah, like that's not what Anakin was called for the last 10 years.

Hey, whoa, family traits.

But yeah, Ford rocked it in his two ST appearances, brief but impactful in the third.

 

Yeah, it’s great Darth Affluenza conjured up a memory to forgive his crimes. Cuts down on the need to actually be forgiven to get redeemed.

 

Redemption is about repentance. Not necessarily the forgiveness of others.

 

I would have been happy to see Han and Leia not forgiving him - they’d be alive. I didn’t see him making any effort at repentance otherwise.

 

Didn't you say you've never seen ROTS?

 

Nobody's "forgiven" when they come back light. You're pretty clearly missing the point.

Anakin's slate wasn't wiped clean either, he was still the second-worst being in recent memory. That doesn't mean making the choice to finally do the right thing is meaningless/worthless, that's where you guys go wrong.

And hell, of all the people to eventually spur him to do the right thing, isn't Han one of two prime candidates for that, the other being Leia? People are always whineing "but there's no family connection with Ben & Rey like with Anakin & Luke!". Not that there even needs to be one. But if you're needing a do-it-for-family element, it's right there with the Han hallucination. Both says a lot about Han as a guy - he's not going to give up on his kid even if he did stab him through the chest - and that sort of compassion spurs Ben on to display the same trait.

Can't have it both ways with the family link thing. The "forgiveness" thing you're pulling out of nowhere though, nobody in either the OT or ST coming light is "forgiven" as such. Not in the way you're meaning it. It's an acceptance of change in the present, not a "so everything's cool despite the past horrors".

 

I’ve read enough, thanks.

How does a hallucination of Han say anything about Han? He didn’t bring himself there, Kylo conjured up a convenient memory nd forgave himself for murdering his father. More of JJ and KK’s “Kylo was just misunderstood” BS, like the new comic where he suddenly didn’t burn down the temple or murder his fellow students.

 

Great story arc. The whole TFA movie was built around him, as some sort of non-sensitive Obi-Wan Kenobi. His death elevates TFA and closes the story arc of Kylo Ren in TROS.

And before (some of you) jump at me: yes, I liked where he was by the time he appears in TFA: older, jaded and confused, he has quit his OT persona. Leaving all behind is something that suits Han; let's not forget his origins as criminal and smuggler, his role as mercenary in ANH (only at the end of the film he becomes a "hero"), his ambivalence between being a member of the Rebellion or just going back to the smuggling underground in TESB, and then the ending of RoTJ, when he was willing to let Luke end up with Leia (and leaving her life for good?) before he discovered the truth about the Skywalker twins.

It amuses me that some fans got angry when they realized Han had just abandoned Leia. Han was always on the fence about just disappearing or being the husband of Leia. When Ben got evil, he probably thought "ugh, another crazy Skywalker, this is beyond me".

And, as I've said in other threads, he got the role Luke/Mark deserved, and didn't get, in TLJ.

 

Show me anywhere in canon that is, except in JJ’s poisonous ignoring of ROTJ. You might as well say Luke abandoning his family is perfectly in character.

 

Abandoning? Yes, kind of (Endor scene with Leia).

Reasons in TLJ? Awful.

 

Luke talked to Leia about his plan and why he was doing that. He didn't just leave everybody.

Princess Leia: Luke, tell me. What's troubling you?
Luke: Vader's here, now, on this moon.
Princess Leia: How do you know?
Luke: I feel his presence. But he can also feel mine. He's come for me. He can feel it when I'm near. That's why I have to go. As long as I stay, I'm endangering the group and our mission. I have to face him.
Princess Leia: Why?
Luke: [pause] He's my father.

Luke: If I don't make it back, you're the only hope for the Alliance.
Princess Leia: Luke, don't talk that way. You have a power I don't understand and could never have.
Luke: You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force runs strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. And... my sister has it. Yes. It's you, Leia.

 

In that scene you also had an angry Han ready to leave Leia all alone and crying. He nearly did it.

 

Just for clarification, this was part of a possible leak about "JJ cuts" vs "Disney cuts" of the film. Whether the article is true or not generally I don't know, but this part stood out to me because I had already theorised the same thing.

So Han was partly created from Leia's memories and partly from Kylo's memories.
It is kind of meta and internally symbolic as well - In real life Carrie Fisher wasn't with us to film a conversation with Ben, but Harrison Ford stepped in to help - and at the same time in universe Leia is using memories of Han to help out in a way that maybe connected with Ben better. The "I know" line could actually be from Leia's memory itself.

 

Someone can explain to me what are the rules for credits? I mean, Harrison was in TROS, why did he not appear in the credits, when even tiny background characters appear?

Or did his name appear and I didn't notice it?