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Has anyone noticed most of Alien Species of Jedi from Episode I & II are absent in the EU

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Ransel, Dec 29, 2003.

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  1. Ransel

    Ransel Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Here are some examples: Nautolan, Cerean, Zabrak, KelDor, Mirialan, Vurk, Iktotchi, Togruta, Quermian, Lannik, Ongree. I just find it weird how these once very active species have disappeared for Star Wars Universe and nobody in the EU has thought about bringing them back.
     
  2. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well to be fair, a lot of the already established EU originated before TPM and AOTC.

    I also recall Jaina's wingman in Twin Suns being a Neimodian and there was a reference to Naboo wood in the NJO at one point. Zabrak's have appeared in the games, I believe Galaxies and Jedi Academy have a Zabrak option.
     
  3. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Some have been mentioned. The thing is that there are so many races at this point that the authors choose to use the ones most people can indentify.

    Either that, or they are just plain uncreative.
     
  4. Gandalf the Grey

    Gandalf the Grey Jedi Knight star 6

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    Bothan, Twi'lek, Mon Calamari, and Wookieea are the EU aliens of choice, with Caamasi in the running as well. ;)
     
  5. Darth-Lando

    Darth-Lando Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    You can also play as a Kel Dor in Jedi Academy.
     
  6. MasterControlProgram

    MasterControlProgram Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I actually like the fact that a lot of the aliens in the prequels aren't in the EU. It make the SW galaxy vast instead of "small world" like the Tales books portrayed.
     
  7. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Well, a lot of the aliens from the PT are really non-human looking, right? I imagine in Palps' human centric empire, folks such as Togrutas or Kel Dors or Dugs wouldn't be very welcome, and would be discriminated against cuz of the prejudice against nonhumans. So perhaps they didn't get out and about from their homeworlds or colonies much?
     
  8. Ph0enix

    Ph0enix Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If memory serves me right, Ki-Adi-Mundi, a Cerean, originated before TPM came out. Also, there have been other Zabraks in the EU. Most recently in Jedi:Dooku, the count had a Zabrak minion. There was also that Zabrak jedi in the Battle for Jabim.
     
  9. MasterControlProgram

    MasterControlProgram Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Well, a lot of the aliens from the PT are really non-human looking, right? I imagine in Palps' human centric empire, folks such as Togrutas or Kel Dors or Dugs wouldn't be very welcome. So perhaps they didn't get out and about from their homeworlds or colonies much?


    I wonder what prompted the change? Palpatine has non-human assistants, collaborators, Sith apprentices, etc. before the Jedi are purged.

    Something has occured to me, though. Is Palpatine even human? If you look at ROTJ Palpatine, he has some kind of weird reptillian head. Maybe that's why the Jedi can't read his intentions?
     
  10. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    If memory serves me right, Ki-Adi-Mundi, a Cerean, originated before TPM came out. Also, there have been other Zabraks in the EU. Most recently in Jedi:Dooku, the count had a Zabrak minion. There was also that Zabrak jedi in the Battle for Jabim.[/b][hr][/blockquote]For Ki-Adi-Mundi, if by "originated in the EU," you mean that he was "loaned out" as an advance-preview character in the [i]Prelude to Rebellion[/i] storyline, you'd be correct.

    Ki first appeared in November 1998, in the (now-) first issue of [i]SW: Republic[/i], as part of the initial lead-in story to [i]The Phantom Menace[/i], but was entirely of George Lucas's own personal creation.

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    I wonder what prompted the change? Palpatine has non-human assistants, collaborators, Sith apprentices, etc. before the Jedi are purged.

    Something has occured to me, though. Is Palpatine even human? If you look at ROTJ Palpatine, he has some kind of weird reptillian head. Maybe that's why the Jedi can't read his intentions?[/b][hr][/blockquote]More likely Palpatine was simply going through the motions for the sake of appearances, and was keeping around a nominal quota of "non-human" [i]aides-de-camp[/i] and whatnot.

    Which gives him some leverage later on when he can point to their "atrocities" and claim somewhat believably, [i]"See, I ain't no bigot -- it's those aliens who're making me do this to them."[/i]

    Plausible deniability.
     
  11. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Keep in mind how new those species are. As has been pointed out, even those races that have exsisted for sometime are less likely to be used because there are certain choice races. Shistavens have exsisted since at least '77 when ANH first appeared in theaters and their very ligthly used in the EU.
     
  12. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Maybe those species aren't very populous. Bothans, Rodians, Twi'leks and the like may have a higher galactic population than Dugs, Togrutas and Quermians.
     
  13. NeoStar9

    NeoStar9 Jedi Master star 4

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    Or that the species from Episode 1 and 2 are so new authors haven't had a chance to actually find a chance to write them into their stories. Or maybe they haven't been given the go ahead by LFL/Lucas yet to even touch them. Like how certain topics aren't suppose to be touched until Episode 3 is released or how certain topics just aren't allowed like the Sith in post-ROTJ novels.

    Those seem the most reasonable instead of trying to come up with reasons such as they didn't have the same population as the other species or they just don't leave their home planets. At least to me, don't know about anyone else.
     
  14. masterviper

    masterviper Jedi Youngling

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    Star wars Galaxies has everything.
     
  15. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    Gungans have had lots of EU screentime. Arguably TOO much.
     
  16. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Or that the species from Episode 1 and 2 are so new authors haven't had a chance to actually find a chance to write them into their stories. Or maybe they haven't been given the go ahead by LFL/Lucas yet to even touch them. Like how certain topics aren't suppose to be touched until Episode 3 is released or how certain topics just aren't allowed like the Sith in post-ROTJ novels.


    That's an out-of-universe explanation, which doesn't count in-universe. In-universe, my explanation makes more sense.
     
  17. NeoStar9

    NeoStar9 Jedi Master star 4

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    Why must in-universe reason be made up when there is no official reason in or out when it comes to things like this. Why not just leave it alone? By coming up with in-universe fan reason this is how misinformation is spread.
     
  18. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Out-of-universe explanations cannot affect in-universe events. That's simply how it works.
     
  19. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    The amount of "prequel" related material seen in current novels has been scarce. Hero's Trial did manage to mention the J-type Nubian and old Trafed freighter in passing.

    SW authors, it appears, in general, prefer the ubiqitious Twi'lek, Rodian and Corellian. Whatever you can say about New Rebellion, almost all its inherent alien species were newly created, unseen in other books.
     
  20. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >>or how certain topics just aren't allowed like the Sith in post-ROTJ novels.<<

    post-ROTJ comics on the other hand... [face_batting]
     
  21. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Listen to Bib you should.

    As time goes on, I'm sure more and more PT-era aliens will appear in the post-NJO era. Or perhaps even in the NR era should any books be written in that timeframe (excluding Ruins and Quest). The NJO started the same year that TPM was released and just now ended and with the end of the NJO, comes a bunch of PT works. Del-Ray and the authors perhaps were too busy working on the NJO to incoroproate the PT movie species.

    Oh and what is a Kel-Dor?
     
  22. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Kel Dor:
    [image=http://www.rebellegion.com/images/cos/39-A.jpg]

    ...And I'm waiting for more of those two headed dudes from KOTOR's Taris Lower City Cantina to show up in the EU.
     
  23. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    :eek: That Kel Dor has hair! A couple of prequel species appeared in Tatooine Ghost, Veknoid, Xexto, ect. Also, a lot of the species created by West End Games back in the day haven't been used much, ex. Yagai, Bovorians, Gree...
     
  24. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Rogue...
    "Also, a lot of the species created by West End Games back in the day haven't been used much, ex. Yagai, Bovorians, Gree..."

    Well, for my part, I used them enough to make up for everyone else. So, we're all good. ;)
     
  25. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Plo Koon is a Kel Dor, I believe.
     
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