Senate Has Cancel Culture Gone Too Far?

He'd at least be darker in complexion than the inbred Greek Cleopatra

 

He shows his face he is NOT MANDALORIAN

 

Imposing our concept of race derived from the Atlantic slave trade and modern colonialism on the diverse mix of peoples in the Mediterranean to whom the idea of dividing people by skin shade was completely alien is always going to produce a lot of stupidity (never mind it's also stupid and inconsistent in modern contexts). Cleopatra was culturally Greek and her dynasty derived its legitimacy from being descendants of a Greek conqueror, though it's unclear how much the dynasty had interbred with the indigenous population. Hannibal lived in modern Tunisia and was culturally Phoenician which came from the region of modern Lebanon.

 

On a side note, we might want to spend few words about the show more generally. The premise seems very odd to me.
Roughly speaking, they want to talk about black women ruling. Which is as arbitrary as any topic, but... what even is the context?
There is no context. Completely unrelated random stories about women who happen to be monarch in Africa, some time in the past.
What kind of a silly formula is this?

They don't even share a common sense of belonging. Cleopatra wouldn't even understand what "being African" means as an abstract concept.

 

The Woman King did a much better job at what this show is trying to do, even if its historical accuracy is questionable.

 

It reminds me of Do They Know It's Christmas. "And there won't be snow in Africa this Christmas time" - Africa used as a totum pro parte. And people get upset, they don't want to get lumped under a genetic blanket that bypasses their own culture.

... Just like when people here say this is about "our concept of race".

 

My ancestry is mostly Polish so I figure what they accomplished was mostly just getting conquered a bunch.

 

Poland was a conquering power until the 17th/18th century (and briefly during the interwar period). They even occupied Moscow c. 1610.

 

Also one of the most powerful Civs in Civ V.

 

Profoundly stupid as this is, I don't see this as a cancel culture thing, perhaps because I don't see anything actually canceling Pinket Smith here, despite her racism.

 

You can tell how much I care about it lol.

 

It's not a cancel culture thing but this was where we had the great debate with Princess "any brown will do" Tina over how it doesn't matter who is cast as long as she's not white.

That said, Egyptian lawyers are suing to get this cancelled, so maybe it fits?

 

I think if it results in Tina Gharavi or Pinket-Smith not being able to work, it would.

 

It's more a reflection of the sort of people that give cancel culture a bad name - reactionary progressives claiming to fight for unheard voices while getting mad about subject matter they obviously didn't research very well/at all

 

Order 66, like all instance of cancel culture, was very arbitrary in sparing Anakin, even though he was quite clearly one of the Jedi. For that matter, Palpatine probably seemed very much like one too, in any way that mattered.

 

Legit did not know people still cared this much about Cleopatra. People are actually suing over it?

 

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@KnightWriter

 

I think the Egyptians are viewing this as more emblematic of a larger issue

 

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Keep in mind that a lot of this controversy is being spurred by Zahi Wahass, who is sort of the Elon Musk of Egyptology. His word has decided the fate of many an excavation project over the years, and if he says something on TV it's treated like 100% actual fact.

 

That Egyptians aren’t black and they don’t want to be associated with Sub-Saharan Africans?

Which is fine and historically and culturally accurate. The entire “we used to be kings” commentary from some black people, mainly hoteps, is sort of what Vivec said: marginalized people seeking to find legitimacy for the basis for people to respect them and for self-respect. It’s the same basis for descendants of American slaves to wear shirts that say “we built this.”For a little while in recent memory, it was excused, but thankfully, it’s nice to see it has its limits. Or maybe people are just super protective over cleopatra for whatever reason.

Note: Egypt does have an… understandably contentious context. It’s part of the African continent, but culturally Middle Eastern. I can understand the…motivations and confusion of people of African descent to want to claim it for political and social power purposes.

 

More that they don't want to have their entire involvement in history erased. And that there's a big difference between "associated with sub-saharan Africans" and "have all their cultural history attributed to sub-saharan Africans". This is just particularly of note because Cleopatra was even further removed from those claims than the more local pharaohs (and of course, there's some indications that other dynasties *were* from further south, it'd be a different matter if that was being dismissed. The 25th dynasty being one of the most prominent examples, as those pharaohs were from Kush and do seem generally described as being black, so there were associations still).