ST Hayden Christensen (Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader) in IX

I never took it as a promise from luke. i always took it as luke being a little bit cocky towards his nephew.

 

Are you kidding me? Abrams even openly admitted that they made it as a "tribute" to the success of A New Hope. Lucas stated that the new producers and directors at Disney wanted to do a "retro film" which he criticized. That should not be needed to confirm something that should be obvious to you.
If this video does not make it obvious enough, then i don't know what does:

 

I don't take it as a promise or anything of the sort. I'm not attached to Anakin in or out.

However, perhaps Richard Grant can play older version of redeemed Anakin. It's more "grandfathery" that way.

 

Its like in the Obi Wan movie you would probably expect Qui gon to appear to give wise advice to Obi Wan more than anyone else because no matter how old Obi Wan is Qui Gon is still the one that advised him and taught him. he is his master.

 

Yet Qui-gon isn't in the OT offering the guide (Obi-Wan) guidance.

 

Why would he be?

Although isn't there a book that claims Qui Gon did talk to Obi Wan before the events of ANH. i dunno if thats canon or what but hey.

 

What scene would that be? Unless you're trying to count A New Hope as a prequel. Disney indicated that the sequel trilogy would be made to appease fans of the original trilogy- a veiled attack on the prequels. And Rogue One is not counted in the sequel trilogy.

What they ended up with is copying the original trilogy to produce the two sequels; especially The Force Awakens obviously.

 

It can't be denied they were using the OT as a template because of how iconic the OT was to many.

I don't think that means they were ignoring the PT though.

 

I just don't understand the necessity that FG Anakin be there guiding Luke.

 

Yes but one that really was a marketing strategy as opposed to something actually going on in the overall fiction as well as the movies themselves.

The movies have been about as prequels as they pretty much could be save for not being directly set in those specific movie times (that they don't take place in anyway).

I'd say since they they realize how popular the prequels actually are so that whole aspect was dropped soon after TFA.

 

Yeah, and it would make sense. You don’t lay all your cards on the table now.

 

If Anakin is to appear, I really don't think they would have announced his name anyway. Yoda will more than likely make an appearance, too, but still no mention of Oz.

 

Anakin will be in Episode IX. You can't end the SW saga without him.

 

It does have the danger of being "oh they're doing the Yoda thing again"

 

Mystery box. We gotta have all 4 Skywalkers for the finale of their soap opera.

The Saga hinges around Vader. He’s gotta be in it.

 

Completely agree, Anakin has to be in it for the final instalment of the Skywalker saga. All the Skywalkers need to be there in one way or another.

He has to come back to interact with Luke and to set Kylo/Ben straight that he idolizes the wrong impression of him. He needs to be able to point out to Kylo that he went to the dark side out of his love for Padme and in trying to save her. Not because he is evil. And he needs to also point out to Kylo that like him, he has been deceived by a greater mind (ie Palpatine with Anakin and now Ben with Snoke). All of this serves Ben's redemption arc if that's the way JJ goes.

It just makes sense for this to be said in tying up the remaining loose threads of these movies.

 

They’re referring to this as the Skywalker saga conclusion as well.

We had no idea Darth Maul was going to be in Solo until very late.

 

agreed. I think Anakin is the only one who can talk Ben back into the light side. Ben has too much of a vendetta with Luke etc. And yeah, if his personal idol Vader/anakin doesn't support what he's doing, what else does he have?

 

Not sure about that. at the time of TFA in interviews it was said that Kylo worshipped Vader but disliked Anakin. Anakin was seen as weak to him while Vader was the image he strived to be and thought to be his real grandfather.

I feel like logically if Anakin appeared to Kylo that Kylo would be very reluctant, angry and stubborn to listen to him.

Even though i don't think Anakin talking to Kylo would change anything at all, i still think it would add to Kylo to be faced with the Image of Anakin in some form or another.

 

The Saga hinges around Vader. He’s gotta be in it.

Unsupported claims, merely arguing based only on your assumptions. Disney did not say it was making the ST to appease the fans of the OT. Theyre making it because GL wanted it made and he sold LFL to Disney. ST was always meant to be the Big 3 passing the torch to a younger generation while concluding the Skywalker Saga. GL had wanted the Big 3 in it and didn’t kill off Han in VI. And since the events in the ST stem from those in the OT, there will be greater similarities to these 2 trilogies than between the ST and PT.

Any yet, why does TLJ have such a prequelly feel to it at times? Many call backs.

 

There cannot be in episode 9 without Anakin he is the beginning and he is the end

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He will be in it, but only as a Muppet.

 

OK, I don't know if the rumors (is that what it is at this point?) of Lucas helping with episode 9 are true- but it is confirmed that JJ has said he is trying to tie the whole saga together, and there is NO ******G WAY to do that without Anakin.

The PT had him as the protagonist, the OT had him as the main antagonist, and he is the hero of the main antagonist of the ST (talking to his helmet...). He is the father of the protagonist in the OT (and the dad of the secondary protagonist) He is the original "Daddy Skywalker;" there was no male Skywalker before him, and this is the Skywalker saga.

If JJ REALLY is serious about tying it all together, he MUST include the existence of Anakin's force ghost. Its existence is already in canon; it cannot be ignored.

 

Well that depends on how you are looking at it really.

My theory is still that Rey may end up a kenobi and with Kylo being the grandson of Anakin that would make them the next generation Kenobi and Skywalker... which could very easily tie into the prequels mirroring other films in the Skywalker saga.

Anakin is probably not a priority in that regard. You probably can tie the 9 films together without including Anakin.

And when you have a story thats obviously gonna be about Kylo,Rey,Finn,Rose as the main leads there probably won't be much time for even the OT characters. let alone a character that none of those 4 have ever met.

 

OK, but they don't need much time for him; he isn't going to be a main character in the movie. He may never have met Kylo, but he is Kylo's grandfather and hero.

And he WAS the PT, and that is 1/3 of the saga; his role as Vader was huge in the OT; he is personification of evil in popular culture. There is no greater villain anywhere.

You could tie the saga together without him, but the tie would be much looser than if you included him. There isn't much of an argument that if you look at the overall saga, Anakin/Vader looms the largest. Seriously trying to tie the saga together and just totally ignoring his existence would be a WTF moment. Yoda, Obi Wan, etc. all are much smaller in terms of SW stature.