Saga Here is my unorthodox Star Wars opinion: change my mind!

I think everyone needs a free Sargecasm detector upgrade in this thread.

 

I do not think that Tony Gilroy is the savior of Star Wars, but he is certainly better than anyone we have had so far under Disney. Andor is definitely the best live action Star Wars we have had since Rogue One, in my opinion.

 

for me, that would be Skeleton Crew.

Which I thought I'd hate going into it.

 

A couple of Old Republic live action films followed by an animated series would be nice!

 

I do not want to sparkle another debate on what is the best viewing order. However, I would really like to see more YouTubers watch the Saga in chronological order, because even though it might be clear by Episode II that Anakin is starting to fall to the Dark Side, if you have never seen the Saga before, you do not know that Anakin becomes Darth Vader specifically. Watching the story in chronological order makes that a real plot twist, and it would be great to see more people reacting to that.

The other day, I was watching one of the reaction videos of a girl who decided to watch Star Wars in chronological order, and it was really amazing to see her surprise when she discovered that Anakin is Darth Vader.



So personally, I would love it if many more people tried watching the Saga in that order, because seeing their reactions to the moment they find out that Anakin is Darth Vader would be truly fascinating.

 

Even in the unlikely event that they're unaware of the cultural icon Darth Vader, the whole second half of ROTS is one heck of a turning point, with Anakin not overcoming his dark side but actually joining the Sith, Palpatine turning the Republic into an Empire, the Jedi Order being wiped out and Padmé dying.
As far as I'm concerned, no plot twist in any other part of the franchise comes close.

But here's another PRETTY unorthodox Star Wars opinion that's not mine but I have to share because this was a first for me: Mark Hamill was the wrong choice for the role of Luke Skywalker.

 

How so?

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The runner-up to play Luke was Will Seltzer, who was slightly older and looked roughly like Jesse Eisenberg. Seltzer got the booby consolation prize of playing Cindy Williams' brother in More American Graffiti, and went on to play bad guy Mr. Putnam in Nintendo's glorified film-length advertisement The Wizard. As you might guess, his career really didn't take off.

The description of Luke in the January 1976 fourth-draft script arguably reflects that Lucas was leaning towards casting Seltzer: "LUKE STARKILLER, a farm boy with heroic aspirations who looks much younger than his twenty-two years. His curly hair and baggy tunic give him the air of a simple, but lovable lad with a prize-winning smile."

Meanwhile, Mark Hamill came very late to the auditions, and perhaps in part edged out Seltzer because he resembled Lucas' mental image of Luke as blond like Flash Gordon, as seen in Ralph McQuarrie's production paintings. The March 1976 revised fourth-draft shooting script shows Lucas changing Luke's description to fit his new actor: "LUKE STARKILLER, a farm boy with heroic aspirations who looks much younger than his twenty years. His shaggy hair and baggy tunic give him the air of a simple, but lovable lad with a prize-winning smile."

More fascinatingly, if Seltzer had been cast as Luke, Lucas would have cast Han Solo with the actor he thought had the most chemistry opposite Seltzer - Christopher Walken!

 

I recently realized the best balance between chronological and release order is a variation on the controversial machete order, or the "Godfather" order. I'm calling it Onion Order:
Start with Phantom Menace, then ANH, TESB, then II and III, and finally Return of the Jedi. There's a natural beginning-middle-end type rhythm and progression of mood and weight. It makes use of the time gaps between I and II, by filling it in, and 3 and 4 by masking it. Some of the more nonsensical elements of the plot are less noticeable, some of the stylistic contrast between trilogies becomes less distracting. It also sets up Han's issues with Jabba the Hut earlier in the viewing, as well as his uncertain fate, making the first half of Return of the Jedi more anticipatory.
But I think the strongest thing about Onion Order is that it allows 2 and 3 to be the sequel-prequels they are, while also being the sequels to The Phantom Menace, which are separated by 10 years time, and a 'flash forward' sequence with a new set of heroes. While seeing Anakin's turn beforehand makes the Empire Strikes Back more dramatic, chronological order robs episodes 2 and 3 of the irony of seeing Jedi (the good guys) lead Star Destroyers and stormtroopers (the bad guys) into battle.
So basically it's like release order except with episodes 1 and 6 as bookends instead of middle chapters. Of course, some people think it sounds crazy. But this time I know I'm onto something. There's a beginning-middle-end structure built into both of these trilogies, and Lucas intended for people at home to watch these movies in different orders, where we become amateur film editors in a sense. This particular order really makes for the most cohesive, and surprisingly conventional and logical experience out of every method I've tried, or heard of.

Then again, if you have the time, there's always Dementia 138: https://letterboxd.com/vjthecs/list/dementia-138/

 

I would suggest for a new viewer to start with whatever film they think has the coolest subtitle.

 

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I love Carrie, but, according to her viewing order, I should watch the Original Trilogy and the Sequel Trilogy only. And I am not willing to rewatch the Sequel Trilogy ever again.

 

No idea if it's "unorthodox" or not. But since it has already been addressed, I never liked that word "farm boy" for Luke. I get the idea. But Tatooine is just too different to be compared to a regular "farm" on Earth. For the record, I was in my early teens when I first even heard of, in my case, seen pictures, and eventually watched the movie at the theater. And yes, I had seen a few farms in my life. But nothing whatsoever in the movie even remotely reminded me of typical farm life. Let's see. Two guys dressed weirdly buying robots from aliens with glowing eyes who travel through the desert in a huge tank, then we see the younger one repairing robots, the next day riding in a vehicle that floats above the ground, then getting attacked by other aliens that look like mummies and ride on giant lizards, then meeting an old wizard who has a sword that consists of a beam of light.... Typical farm life? Not really. Seemed pretty exotic to me at that age, in the late 70s.
I get the idea though.
PS: I wanted to insert emoticons for irony but the function doesn't work. Does this site often have server problems or is it just my connection?

 

I've had that, but then I realised that the emojis were appearing but I couldn't see them because they were further down the screen.

 

Something I wish the prequels or obi wan series did was show him going by the name Ben...it's Really one of the few jarring continuity left..why I want a series 2

 

The Death Star chain reaction could have been something implemented by Palpatine himself. The Death Star was designed to be absurdly powerful so whoever was in charge of it could go "screw the system, I'll just obliterate you if you don't obey". And while sure, I guess he ensured the people at the top would be super obedient, things can change really fast when you have the power to destroy a planet at will. If Tarkin or Vader got drunk with power, there's nothing stopping them from bringing it to Coruscant and destroying the Federal District. Having a secret self destruct mechanism that only he could remotely activate, or automatically if the Death Star is brought to a planet he's on while he's not on it without his clearance should the worst happen would be a good safety measure if he doesn't want to have to stay on the Death Star for the rest of his life. Especially since Vader has always had aspirations of running the Galaxy himself and killing Palpatine.

The 2007 Death Star novel even had Tarkin shut down the idea of going rogue in his head due to the fact he "could" have an insurance policy like that.

 

I said the same about Favreau after Mando season 1.

My mind is still living in the 80'so the OT doesn't have a subtitle. They'll always be known as just Star Wars, Empire and Jedi.

 

Rogue One was pretty corny.

 

"Your shoe's untied!"