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Homeworld of the Humans: A Theory

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Jedi-Sith, Dec 5, 2004.

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  1. ILLUMINATUS_JEDI

    ILLUMINATUS_JEDI Jedi Master star 4

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    And what is the Rataka homeworld called? Is it Rattatak?

    I think it's called... Rak-a-tat-tat! 8-}

    I couldn't help myself, I'm sorry [face_laugh] [face_laugh] [face_laugh]....

     
  2. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Alderan and Kuat can be removed as potentials for the homeworld, as both were colonized after the advent of hyperdrive by the Corellians.

    Corellia, I believe, is the best guess for where humans originated.
     
  3. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I would suggest Coruscant because it makes sense.

    If almost all the trade routes originate at Coruscant, then it's clear that the original hyperspace trail-blazers came from there.
     
  4. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Except they didn't. They came from Corellia.
     
  5. 7-7-7

    7-7-7 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I believe that the EH_Pilot is correct. All roads lead to Corellia, while Coruscant is a little bit out of the way in comparison. Corellia was the original hyperspace-lane blazing center in the days of yore.
     
  6. ASkywalkerFamilyXmas

    ASkywalkerFamilyXmas Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Isn't Coruscant's natural climate a lil to chilly for humans to have come from there. IIRC it is said that Coruscant has orbital mirrors that keep the planet at a constant temperature. Or was I drinking too much that night I read the novel...
     
  7. Pellaeon-Firke

    Pellaeon-Firke Jedi Knight star 5

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    That's only because of the insane amount of pollution having a planet wide city causes. When it wasn't all one city, it was naturally habitable.
     
  8. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    No, Coruscant is not out of the way. CatCW specifically says that Coruscant lies at the heart of many trade routes, and that her position made her destined for importance. Corellia is only at the route of two trade routes, according to CatCW's maps, which are the Corellian Trade Spine and the Corellian Run--the latter of which originates at Coruscant, actually, and only goes through Corellia.

    Furthermore, Coruscant was already completely paved over by the time that the Corellians acquired the hyperdrive. Corellia did the first hyperspace colonizations, yes, which was around the time the Republic was formed. Before that, however, humanity had long existed on both Coruscant and Corellia.

    The book mentions Coruscant as the probable source of the human species, but Corellia is merely the planet to first use the hyperdrive--LONG after humanity was created. In addition, in several other entries--including Metellos's and Corulag's--it is said that Coruscant originally colonized many other Core worlds.

    Sorry, EH and 7-7-7, but canon disagrees with you. :)

    PF: Not so. Coruscant is unusually cold because she has a smaller and more distant star that most systems. She's quite habitable, however.
     
  9. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    According to information on Timetales, Coruscant was a galactic hub long before the Corellians adapted Hyperdrive technology for their use, so both you and 7-7-7 could be at least partially correct.

    I can't imagine anything beyond rare encounters without FTL travel, much less an inkling of galactic civilization.
     
  10. 7-7-7

    7-7-7 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I'm really starting to dislike those sourcebooks. When they don't outright contradict established continuity and storylines, then they twist the "facts" of the EU into something completely different. It's like WEG all over again...
     
  11. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Ah, the many evils of sourcebooks and their altenatives. :)
     
  12. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    7-7-7: Kindly provide any such facts that the CatCW sourcebook contradict about the origins of humanity, and state their sources.

    You do have them, right? Surely you do, since you mentioned that there's a contradiction.
     
  13. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    >I was being facetious. It's generally believed, however, that the Maw, the Corellian system, and the transformation of the Sharu were all the work of the same aliens.<

    The Sharu transformed themselves, in response to an unknown threat (which could be these aliens and or the Rakata.

    Marvel also had a world for the birthplace of humans. It's probably not Correllia.

    TC
     
  14. 7-7-7

    7-7-7 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Kindly provide any such facts that the CatCW sourcebook contradict about the origins of humanity, and state their sources.

    You do have them, right? Surely you do, since you mentioned that there's a contradiction.


    Hehehe...wrong again, little buddy. I never said anything of the sort. You're really starting to slip nowadays.
     
  15. Jedi-Sith

    Jedi-Sith Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Cool I made a theory that started a huge conversation in just a day... hehe...


    Now tell me why the Rakata created the Maw, and what The One, The Other, and The Rest had to do with the destruction of Yuuzhan'tar.

    Er... well not sure what to do about the Yuuzhan'tar theory of yours but the Maw I'm sure were the Rakatans as well.... er... maybe it was a huge waste disposal system... I don't know lol... or possibly an experiment gone drastically wrong

    Don't think the Rakata created the Maw. Didn't think they had the technological capability to create a bunch of black holes and neutron stars.

    After seeing that damn Star Forge, I wouldn't put it past them... especially if they were the same people who made the Corellian system.

    What of the suggestion that Coruscant developed as the homeworld of the humans? It's rather interesting that Coruscant has the highest percentage of human inhabitants of any world, and that Coruscant lies at the center of nearly every single important galactic trade route.

    Well you wouldn't 'grow' your slave world at the MOST major planet would you, the second most accessible system (one that you possibly had to create yourself) seems like a much better place to put it, but Coruscant would have been populated with the slaves surely....

    First, the Rakatan Infinite Empire was hardly infinite - only about a thousand planets - which is less than the average sector.

    Wasn't saying it was infinite, thats its actual name...

    Secondly, the Rakata didn't visit all of the planets where it was theorized that humans or near-humans originated from.

    We don't actually know this... Dantooine, Kashyyyk, Korriban, Manaan and Tatooine are definates from the game, Republic comic series has already added Honoghr to the list... its quite possible Coruscant and several other theorised human origins were colonies too. I mean Coruscant has been built over and over again, it wouldn't be a surprise for such relics to be lost to the ages...

    Third, the Rakata weren't around long enough to do that amount of work. While we don't know exactly when their empire started, we know that it ended only five thousand years before the formation of the Republic. Based on the little information from KOTOR, it also doesn't seem like their empire was so vast and powerful for a very long time.

    Thats certainly not the impression I got, I got the impression they were around in power a LONG time, quite able to do this.... although the human race would have to be in the later stages for the Dantooine droid not to recognise humans as slaves.... although their is still plenty of time for this.... remember we are talking thousands of years, all that would be required for this sort of work is a few decades considering their level of technology.

    I like the theory, but I think that the Culomni (I think I got that name right) who are theorized to have created the Corellian System, Centerpoint, the Maw, and done the hurting to the Sharu, and who existed long before the Rakata and were much more far-reaching were the ones who created and spread humanity. The Rakata would then have picked up much later, after the Culomni were long gone, and finished the genetic modification and spread of humanity or near-humans to places like Tatooine and Kashyyyk, and done the whole slave-race thing.

    Well I'm pretty sure it said the Culomni (can't remember the spelling either but I know of whom you speak :p ) arrived in the galaxy found only primitives and returned home in disgust... not exactly an empire building race of the scope of Corellian System, Maw, Sharu and the creation of the human race.

    Who were way more advanced than the Rakata. They not only created the Maw, Centerpoint, and the Corellian system, they actually gave hyperdrive technology to the GFFA.

    How do we know this is more advanced than the Rakata... Centerpoint station doesn't appear any more advanced than the Star Forge to me.

    And as for giving hyperdrive to the Corellians etc.. this is only le
     
  16. Jedi-Sith

    Jedi-Sith Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Another note....

    Ever wondered why the human race seems to always have this specieist opinion, that they are better than 'aliens' it props up all around the saga, from Exar Kun to Palpatine etc.. because originally they were the 'super' race of slaves... they were made to be better than the others...

    I mean the Clone Troopers in the Clone Wars were taken from a human host as well...

     
  17. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Colonization of planets outside a solar system before FTL travel is for all intents and purpouses impossible. Coruscant is improbably the human homeworld due to the fact that it was already inhabited by two other intelligent species that became extinct.

    Corellia, on the other hand, makes sense, as it was the first planet known to acquire hyperdrive, and occupied by humans.

    Whether or not the Rakatan enslaved humanity, or simply passed the homeworld is unknown.
     
  18. Esplin9466

    Esplin9466 Jedi Master star 4

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    The Sharu transformed themselves, in response to an unknown threat (which could be these aliens and or the Rakata.

    It's generally believe that the Maw, the Corellian system, and the frightening of the Sharu into their transformation were all the work of the same aliens.

    Man, I can't say anything . . . :p
     
  19. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Not quite EH Pilot!

    The Yevetha were the only known species to colonise so many worlds without lightspeed, just by sublight drives, according to New Rep records as of Before the Storm.
     
  20. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    >Colonization of planets outside a solar system before FTL travel is for all intents and purpouses impossible.<

    Actually, this is what happened. Medstar goes into this; there were huge generational ships sent out from who knows where before the advent of the hyperdrive.

    TC
     
  21. darth_paul

    darth_paul Jedi Master star 5

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    I'd point out that we can't necessarily trust trade route locations for figuring it out. It's my understanding that there are natural pathways through hyperspace, that you can't go just anywhere, and that the trade routes arise along these. Thus, a species coming from some poor backwater planet well off the beaten path would, coming to a location where many hyperspace routes intersect, naturally use that planet as a trade base, and it would grow up in time.

    -Paul
     
  22. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    hey why not make a poll and vote a human source planet *g*

    besides, great theory I love it!
     
  23. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    The problem with Coruscant being human origin planet is the Taungs and Zhell who originated on Coruscant.... like the Killiks of Alderaan they became extinct later on... Corellia however didn't have any other species (Selonia and Drall sure, but not Corellia) so its possible that Coruscant like Alderaan was colonised after the extinction of that planets race.



    Drall and Selonians were present in a good percentage on Corellia from time immemorial.




    [i][blockquote]The sourcebooks come from what Galactic Historians believe in-universe... so they don't know where humans originated. Coruscant DID originally colonise many other Core Worlds, but so did Corellia so ... yeah ... interesting no?[/i][/blockquote]

    Those historians, who possess more data than we do, don't even consider Corellia a possibility. ;)

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    [i][blockquote]Colonization of planets outside a solar system before FTL travel is for all intents and purpouses impossible. Coruscant is improbably the human homeworld due to the fact that it was already inhabited by two other intelligent species that became extinct.

    Corellia, on the other hand, makes sense, as it was the first planet known to acquire hyperdrive, and occupied by humans. [/i][/blockquote]

    You seem to have this habit of not reading my posts and ignoring much of what I say, don't you?

    If you'll recall...

    [color=red][hl=blue][i][b][u]Furthermore, Coruscant was already completely paved over by the time that the Corellians acquired the hyperdrive. Corellia did the first hyperspace colonizations, yes, which was around the time the Republic was formed. Before that, however, humanity had long existed on both Coruscant and Corellia.[/i][/u][/b][/hl][/color]

    Try to miss it again this time. :)

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    [i][blockquote]I'd point out that we can't necessarily trust trade route locations for figuring it out. It's my understanding that there are natural pathways through hyperspace, that you can't go just anywhere, and that the trade routes arise along these. Thus, a species coming from some poor backwater planet well off the beaten path would, coming to a location where many hyperspace routes intersect, naturally use that planet as a trade base, and it would grow up in time. [/i][/blockquote]

    Good point.

    Trade route argument conceded.
     
  24. Jedi-Sith

    Jedi-Sith Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Drall and Selonians were present in a good percentage on Corellia from time immemorial.


    but its known or at least believed that Drall and Selonians originated from Drall and Selonia, not Corellia, thus the point still stands


    Those historians, who possess more data than we do, don't even consider Corellia a possibility.

    True, true, but do they not considere it a possibility or is it just that it wasn't mentioned.... coz we all know what Star Wars is like at not mentioning something...
    Plus we know how bad the historians in-universe are.... much of the history in the Star Wars universe is often NOT known by historians.... so I would argue that we actually know MORE than them....

    They would assume Coruscant is the homeworld for obvious reasons, it IS a prime candidate and in their boots I would come up with the same reasons, but we know they know very little of the Rakatans at all so I wouldn't be surprised that they wouldn't know anything to lead them to these conclusions considering how much more information we have.

     
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