How are the Grysk apparently able to make entire vassal species die for them?

Nah, not at all.

 

Well i havent Read the Disney Canon Thrawn Novels yet but from what i have read on Wookieepedia they are similar to the Vong maybe its another Species from the Unknown Regions but i wouldnt be surprised if the Grysk were inspired by the Yuuzhan Vong

 

Inspired by yes. But similar? No.

 

I wouldn’t even say inspired by. They really don’t share any traits and the stories that feature them aren’t trying to repeat or evoke any of the concepts or themes that the New Jedi Order got into.

 

I am sure Zahn wanted a threat to the chiss and perhaps the empire but that’s where the similarities end

 

Hmmm...maybe. I'ld wonder where they got so many resources, but I suppose the First Order establishes it is possible to build a large force in secret like that.

Nuso Esva and his Chosen seem like a better comparison, being Unknown Region based warlords that manipulate the politics of various governments to build their empire, before running into Thrawn's own coalition building based on exposing said manipulations and the support of the galactic empire.

In fact, given how Zahn has worked in his legends novels into the new material, I wonder if Nuso will be another Grysk proxy. Or he is an actual grysk and the sunken faced warriors the empire fought were just more vassal fodder troops.

 

Maybe Esva can be a parallel to Thrawn in terms of not being a Grysk, but serving them on a high position because of his military genius - like Thrawn, being an outsider, served Palpatine and the Empire - and having his own agenda.

Agree. With Jixtus being noticeably short and, basing on his POV, not entirely fanatic, he can be the Grysk's analogue of Vorta, and sunken faced warriors - analogue of Jem'Hadar.

 

I feel like Jixtus interactions with Nakirre were a good example of how it probably works.

“What is it you want the most? Oh, you’re a crazy theocracy that wants to spread its cult message across the Chaos? Sure, we Grysks can help make that happen, you just have to go where we tell you to go and convert who we tell you to convert. Oh and by the way if you have any issues with our deal here’s a fleet killing Shatter-Class WarMaster aimed directly at you and your people.”

 

I can see them taking over governments this way, but how can they instill such a deep sense of loyalty in whole populations?

Doubt it's implants, because that would be too vonglike and I still think the Vong exist in canon.
Beside of this, subliminal messaging or the force, are there other ways for them to do this?



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That is a fairly interesting idea. I suppose they did something like that already with General Yiv and Nakirre, so it would be fitting.

Also an intriguing notion. There could definitely be some kind of caste system going on, or grysk not even being a single species but several.

I do kind of admit that whole thing bugs me, I prefer it when it is more like rebels and it is Thrawn getting to know a particular opponent or group rather than winning battles off of sweeping generalizations.

Especially when the story keeps insisting that his weakness is not understanding politics when his strategy is a giant geopolitical slight of hands rather than strictly battlefield tactics.

 

The Grysks honestly remind me a lot of the Greys of American UFO lore. They look fairly similar to them, though only Jixtus fits the more traditional short stature. Then their ships are also described as being elliptical shaped, so in other words, flying saucers. And then there’s the idea that they infiltrate governments and control entire cultures in secret, which is a staple of UFO lore.

So if the Greys are an inspiration for the Grysks, then their control of other alien races would also fit with that Cold War-era notion of there being scientific methods of mind control, whether through drugs, ESP, or technology. Another example in fiction are the Silence from Doctor Who, who used hypnotic suggestion to control humanity for millennia, and who depended on other races to build things for them and serve them.

 

So what your telling me is that the Grysk are invading earth

 

Not invading... they're already here.

 

At least it's not the Vong

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You're telling me those things they showed to the Mexican congress are the Grysk?

Because if so, I'm not sure what Thrawn was scared of.

 

"Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you?"

- Yoda and probably a Grysk

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Agree. Vong would've drop the Moon on Earth after learning about ChatGPT.

 

I suppose the simplest and most logical answer is that they don't per say - at least, they don't need absolutely everyone so long as they get enough people in line, especially people in power, and the ones that are actively selected as agents are screened for being the most likely to be self-sacrificingly obedient.

 

Agree. In case of Chiss information about Sky-walkers was known only by members of the military and high ranking politicians, yet Grysk kidnapped a group of ones to have leverage.

 

Looks like we’ll be getting our first actual look at the grysks next year with the comic adaptation of Thrawn: Alliances.

 

If they’re depicted as identical to the Vong I’ll freeze the editorial staff of Marvel Comics in carbonite.

 

I can’t bring to mind any kind of specific image. I think because of Zahn’s modern style emphasising character over visual detail whenever I try to visualise the Grysk I imagine them in masks, cloaks, armour etc ...basically variations of Jixtus.