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how did Palpatine Justify Killing Jedi Younglings?

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  1. RolandofGilead

    RolandofGilead Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yet the Rebellion did just that, adhering to the Jedi greeting "MTFBWY." Perhaps as Order 66 represented the fall of both the Jedi and the Republic, then the Jedi may also have represented all that came before the dark times.
     
  2. DarthDubya05

    DarthDubya05 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    no wonder the majority of the galaxy is so **** Stupid as to believe one single man. ( No Offense.)
     
  3. DarthDubya05

    DarthDubya05 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    i Mean, he could have took them under his wing...
     
  4. darth-sinister

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    Yoda: "Always two there are; A Master and an Apprentice. No more, no less."

    Darth Bane: "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power; the other to crave it."

    They cannot have more than two, otherwise it will be the end of the Sith. At least, going by the films. Palpatine and Vader did recruit a few Padawans who failed to be paired up with a Master. They weren't Sith, but they were allies or members of the Emperor's Hand.
     
  5. Vaderfan14

    Vaderfan14 Jedi Youngling

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    Palpatine believes what he wants to do is always right. So when he sent Anakin to kill the Jedi younglings he didn't have to explain to anyone, not even to Anakin, because Anakin would do anything to keep Padme' from dying.
     
  6. DarthDubya05

    DarthDubya05 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    And? Palpatine's The Chancellor/Emperor? he can break some silly old rule some Dead guy made 1000 years ago.
     
  7. chrisfree

    chrisfree Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think the Emperor had his hands full watching his back because of Vader's ambitions. He knew what motivates a Sith, he'd expect none less from his closest lackey.
    A pack of Force-sensitive younglings bred to be Siths... Not very sensible, IMO.
    Palpatine even made sure that he could carry on once this body of his was finished. He didn't easily feel inclined to share power.
     
  8. DarthDubya05

    DarthDubya05 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    why didn't he kill himself then? he's a force user.
     
  9. Darthmcm

    Darthmcm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    my guess is that he wouldnt justify it at all he just wouldnt talk about it. After all Bush doesnt talk about the bombs that fell on families (including children) in Iraq. Alot of people just use the casualties of war tag to help them sleep at night.
     
  10. darth-sinister

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    "One of the themes throughout the films is that the Sith Lords, when they started out thousands of years ago, embraced the Dark Side. They were greedy and self-centered and they all wanted to take over, so they killed each other. Eventually there was only one left, and that one took on an apprentice. And for thousands of years, the master would teach the apprentice, the master would die, the apprentice would then teach another apprentice, the master, and so on. But there could never be any more than two of them, because if there were, they would try to get rid of the leader, which is exactly what Vader was trying to do, and that's exactly what the Emperor was trying to do. The Emperor was trying to get rid of Vader, and Vader was trying to get rid of the Emperor. And that is the antithesis of a symbiotic relationship, in which if you do that, you become cancer, and you eventually kill the host, and everything dies."

    --George Lucas, Bill Moyers Time Magazine Interview; 1999.

    The Sith are the natural enemy of the Jedi. As George Lucas describes it, the Sith were once in control of the galaxy 1000 years in the past. Unfortunately, the Sith's hunger for conquest got the better of them-so many Sith lords were vying for ultimate control that it led to infighting among their ranks. Such internecine struggles were exploited by the Jedi Knights of the era, and they were able to turn the tide and defeat the Sith.

    As Ki-Adi-Mundi states in Episode I, the Sith have been thought extinct for a millenium; however, not all were wiped out. A surviving Sith Lord sought to rebuild the order, to retake the galaxy, and to take revenge. This Sith Lord realized the dangers of having too many in the order, so he kept his existence a secret. It would be a long time coming, but he carefully plotted revenge. There would be only two Sith Lords at a time, a master and an apprentice, working in secret, planting the seeds for their eventual rise.


    --Star Wars Insider, issue 78; page 60


    The Sith can survive, but there must always be two. No other Force user, mainly Jedi, can exist. Including the children.

    "He (Anakin) didn't realize Palpatine was going to kill him (Mace). So up to that point he was trying to do the right thing but now he realizing that with Mace dead he?s crossed over the line and he sorta succumbs and says 'Yes, I?ll do anything you ask so you can allow me to keep my wife alive.' Then he (Sidious) says 'Ok, I?ll do that but now you have to go and kill all the Jedi. Leave none alive or they will come back and get us - even the kids.'"

    --George Lucas, ROTS DVD Commentary.
     
  11. Waylela

    Waylela Jedi Knight

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    One thing that hasn't be mentioned is Palpatine has deniablity here. He didn't do the killing, Vadar did...Palpatine had a way of making it appear his hands were clean when in fact they weren't. As I remember Vadar is the only one recognized as a Sith in ANH so only a few probably knew Palpatine was a Sith Lord to start with. With Vadar as his Henchman he didn't have to worry about justifying anything and those who did challenge him probable did live long enough to tell anyone.
     
  12. DarthDubya05

    DarthDubya05 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    But the Children, what could they have done against Palpatine? Poop on him?
     
  13. Darth_Vindaloo

    Darth_Vindaloo Jedi Youngling

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    Grown up into Luke Skywalkers.

    If we are to take it as read that Sith really do think in absolutes, then only the absolute destruction of all Jedi would have been acceptable. Palpatine would have wanted to be completely sure he'd left no loose ends behind him in terms of potential future threats.
     
  14. darth-sinister

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    Correct. Look at the OT. Two Jedi Masters have two Padawans. They will destroy him, he knows this. No Jedi must live. Men, women and children. All must die.

    "Every single Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic."

    "Do what must be done. Do not hesitate, show no mercy."

    "He could destroy us."

    "The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi."

    "So be it, Jedi. If you will not be turned then you will be destroyed."


     
  15. Darth_Joshy

    Darth_Joshy Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Read "Dark Lord - The Rise of Darth Vader"

    Palpatine explains to the Loyalist Commettee why the Jedi were exterminated
     
  16. darth-sinister

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    Even without the book, it is clear that any one who has training in the Jedi Arts is a threat to him.
     
  17. DarthDubya05

    DarthDubya05 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    so, why didn't he have Anakin Killed then?
     
  18. darth-sinister

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    Because Anakin is now Vader. He is now a Sith. So that is why he lives. He needs an Apprentice to carry on his legacy. He needs an Apprentice to do the dirty work. To be his representitive throughout the Empire.
     
  19. DarthDubya05

    DarthDubya05 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    but how did he say it that Anakin wouldn't get killed by clones? how did he know Anakin would even Turn to the Dark Side? i smell plot hole...
     
  20. darth-sinister

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    Palpatine: "Commander Appo, my new Apprentice Darth Vader is coming to meet you at the Jedi Temple. Exectue Order 66."

    Appo: "Lord Vader?"

    Vader: "Yes, Commander. Follow me."

    That simple.

    Palpatine: "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen."

    He knew that the boy would turn. If not, well we all know what he'd do then.

    Palpatine: "So be it, Jedi. If you will not be turned then you will be destroyed."

    Han: "What an incredible smell you've discovered." ;)

    There is no plot hole.
     
  21. silver_blue

    silver_blue Jedi Youngling

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    I don't think it's so much that the kids are such a threat to Sidious. Yes, they have force potential, but so do lots of other people in the galaxy.

    But killing the kids is vitally important in pushing Anakin completely to the dark side. After killing Mace he's made the decision to follow Sidious, but he's not truly dark - he has grief for what he's done, and he says he'll follow Sidious as much because he feels he has no other choice as because of a genuine belief that he wants to follow the dark side. Sending him to destroy the Jedi temple and the kids pushes him far deeper and makes him genuinely "dark".
     
  22. darth-sinister

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    It's not the Younglings have potential, no. It is the fact that they've had training, that is the problem. There are still children being born with Force potential, but none of them are training to become Jedi. When Luke was being trained, that is when Sidious stepped up and told Vader to get it done.
     
  23. mjerome3

    mjerome3 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Wrong and blatantly absurd!

    If a Sith child had been trained in the dark side and was already a toddler or adolescent, then there is no way in hell they would ever be trained as a Jedi. Look how reluctant the Jedi Council were to train Anakin and he hadn't be trained yet. A Sith child would do nothing but turn back to the dark side sooner or later. A Jedi's committment wouldn't allow them to have pity, regardless how old a Sith is. Everytime a Sith and a Jedi confronted each other (with the exception of Luke and Vader on the DS) the Jedi tried to do away with the Sith.

    As far as dark sider being trained as a Jedi, it would only happen in Expanded Universe or in the post OT like the New Jedi Order or something, but that would be it.
     
  24. sithrules70

    sithrules70 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    he didnt have to, anakin didnt care how to achieve his goal anymore.
     
  25. darth-sinister

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    The question is about the Senate and the citizens of the Empire. Not about it to Anakin.
     
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