How did Palpatine kill 3 Jedi in 5 seconds?

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Right, and Mace survived (in the novelization) due to his reliance upon Vapaad, about as close to the dark side as a Jedi can get when engaged in battle.

The other Jedi had no defense against a "surprise attack" by an unexpectedly armed Sith MASTER, one who had learned all that his master had to teach.

And yes, Palpatine was ever so close to breaking Windu's stoic defense against the Sith's force lightning barrage, but Palpatine ultimately decided to ambush his formidable opponent through dialog directed at Anakin, something Windu only realized just a split second too late.

 

Sure, the Jedi have practice with each other. But its like really good fencers suddenly coming up against the best Ninja ever...they just don't have experience against Palpy, especially since he has surprise on his hand AND is one of the most powerful force users ever...

 

How did Palpatine kill 3 legendary Jedi Masters in a matter of seconds? Simple:
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Seriously, I don't know why you NEED to know any more than that. Knowing he's the freakin' Emperor, the guy who's so great and terrible he has Vader shakin' in his boots, should tell you the guy's badass enough to pull it off.

 

Which he completely failed to capture on-screen. On paper its great. But something on set or in the edit suite should have been done to make this believable. It removes you from the film the way it currently sits.

 

Anakin did fight better overall against the Sith than Obi-Wan did. But if you put in Anakin in place of Yoda in the Senate pod arena Yoda - Palpatine fight, Anakin would have stood no chance.

 

But if you put in Anakin in place of Yoda in the Senate pod arena Yoda - Palpatine fight, Anakin would have stood no chance.


An emotional Anakin would have stood no chance. An Anakin fighting with cold anger would have been a very formidable opponent to Palpatine.

 

Lightsaber to lightsaber, I see Anakin having a chance........senate pod to senate pod, I'm not so sure....

 

its called rushed and bad choreography

 

I agree with that sentiment in some respect. It's a shame because Nick Gillard did such a masterful job with the other choreography in the PT. Overall, I think Lucas' desire to use both Ian and SLJ for the majority of the fight may have been more a hindrance than a help.

 

I agree, and apparently it was a bit of a last minute change to have them do it themselves. If they'd had more training and practice, like Ewan and Hayden, it could have been better. But given what training and practice they did get I think they did pretty well. Overall, the worst shot of the duel is probably more due to editing, though; I think it's the long pause after Palpatine lands and strikes a pose with his lightsaber pulled back, before he makes his first killing strike. The way it plays out on-screen, any opponent should have seen that coming.

The part at 0:27

 

He can because he's cool & he just rolls like that!

 

I'm sure the Jedi didn't expect him to be so quick compared to his age. It would've been awesome if he cleaned house with some force lightning right off the bat.

 

Age??? Yoda is 3652463257527 years old and he is still a huge mf....

Seriously, I also think that this scene was poorly shot, as it could have been a terrific fight....Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar and Saese Tin were not padawans, they were MASTERS and they had their sabers on guard! They should at least fight a little, deflect some moves and die by Sidius' use of Sith force powers, not by simply killing them with his saber in no time....

 

Maybe there was some kind of force block going on by Sidious?

We see him do something with Obi-1 in the duel with Dooku that takes Obi-1 by surprise and helps Dooku fling him across the throne room.
It's possible Sidious did some kind of force block on the Jedi while just before he did his first spin, that would explain how come he was able to down 3 Jedi Masters so quick - speed/surprise combined with force blocks.

But un-like the Obi/Anakin duel with Dooku, there's no indication the way it's shot that Sidious was doing any force blocks.

The Sidious-Mace duel could do with double time lightsaber strikes to compensate & emphasize the different dimensions of speed & power involved, (as well as some force blocks thrown in for good measure!) as due respect to the actors involved, but the physicality -apart from spins- doesn't quite match the momentous showdown of galactic proportions that these two force users represent.

 

I agree with everyone saying it was poorly shot. I however explain it with the belief that Palpatine used some sort of force power on the Jedi.

Another thing we have to consider is that the Jedi, irrespective of the knowledge they had about Palpatine being a Sith Lord, is still very reluctant to do what they are doing. I mean, this is the supreme chancellor of the republic, they probably dont even dare to touch him, the situation is just to dangerous. Palpatine on the other hand can just release all his terrible hate upon the Jedi, while they doubt themselves. Palpatine goes for the kill, while the jedi dont even know how they should handle the situation. Even Mace didnt go for the kill once he had Palpatine on the ground, he only demanded his surrender.(Never tell a Sith Lord that he has lost they are even worse than Wookies..)

 

Palps wasn't using any blocking powers. Mace's crew were just a bunch of punks that died liked punks, which is a shame because Fisto and Tinn are some of the few PT era Jedi I truly like along with Mace, Yoda, Obi Wan, and Anakin/Vader.

 

SLJ actually participated in filming the duel, but I believe a stunt double was used for Ian McDiarmid.

 

ROFL! Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.


Too bad, because I don't consider portraying the Jedi as perfect in everything as an example of good storytelling. If the Jedi were truly like that, they would completely bore me.

 

If we ( optionally ) take the EU into account, Palpatine could easily have had access to powers similar to those displayed by earlier Sith in the Banite line ( or even later Dark Jedi like Jerec ).

 

The scene wasn't shot very well but the ultimate truth behind the story was to show how powerful Palpatine was. I would have liked to see him duel with Kit Fisto and Mace Windu, like Maul dueled Kenobi and Qui-Gon. As for the other two Jedi Masters, I can see Palpatine killing them quick. I think GL just wanted to show the Mace Windu-Darth Sidious duel in a hurry, which is why the other three Jedi Masters died as quickly as they did.

 

The Jedi were afraid of Palpatine, He used this fear and it made him stronger...

Seriously, the Jedi could feel there world crumbling around them, and were nervous about taking the step of arresting the Chancelor. That slight twinge of fear was the only opening Palpatine needed to strike. And once the first fell so quickly, the fear in the others jumped exponentially.
Windu was able to steal himself and focus his Jedi calm... it was the only reason he lasted so long... but even he was obviously taken off gaurd by Palpatine's ferocity.
People tend to think that A Jedi's Focus and control of thier emotions is absolute... but this is an ideal they strive for, it is not a perfect or permenant state of being. The Jedi are not automatons, they are flesh and blood beings with passions, doubts, and fears. The Jedi code and training helps you deal with these things, but it does not eliminate them.

 

I felt that this was the worst scene in ROTS.

Could have been better if Mace took just one Jedi master with him and it was a full out lightsaber fight.

 

He should have taken a fully automatic shotgun with him, or the gffa equivalent, and Anakin, but his lack of trust in Anakin was his downfall.

 

His lack of trust in the guy who cut off his hand and left him open to a lethal lightning attack was his downfall?
I see your point though, but it just seems like things would have ultimately ended the same way anyway even if he'd taken Anakin.