ST How did Snoke seduce Ben Solo?

Hmmm... Could that future story be Bloodline? It seems it evolves around Leia and Vader's lineage, so it would make sense.

 

How did Snoke seduce Ben Solo?

 

Snoke did it with "Lies, Deceit. Creating Mistrust".

 

I'll eat my bandolier if it doesn't turn out that Han.Luke and Leia hid Ben's link to Vader from him, and it was Snoke who told him about "grandfather" being Anakin and Mama being a Skywalker..

 

I think through vaders helmet, he talks to this thing and asks his grandfather to "show him again"

I'm wondering if anakin is trying reach him but it's being distorted by snoke

 

Kyle Katarn said this in another thread and it got me thinking:

Snoke is telling Ben he is Royalty and playing on that notion - "Even You. MASTER of the Knights of Ren"

 

Yeah Ben certainly seems to think he's been communicating with his grandfather. I think Snoke has been posing as Anakin via some sort of telepathy or dreams and encouraging him to "finish what I started". The real reason Anakin hasn't communicated directly with Ben is because he's no longer in the spirit realm. He's Rey.

 

Ah now that could be interesting! Good theory that she could be a reincarnation. My theory is that she's a Kenobi, because there could be a theme that Anakin is Ren's grandfather, Kenobi's granddaughter would be Rey, maybe she can do what her grandfather failed to do, save a a kywalker descendent from the dark side.

Who knows.

 

EDIT Double post, please delete (accident)

 

I agree... I mean if the theories are true that somehow Snoke was reaching out to Ben and disguising himself to appear as Anakin/Vader, imagine how betrayed he would've been to hear his true lineage straight from his own "grandfather".

 

If Han and Leia are the 'too busy and working' kind of parents, it is no wonder that Snoke managed to reach Ben so easily, filling his head with the twisted versions of truth.

 

All Snoke has to do is show Ben Solo some very frightening visions through the Force. Horrific visions of death, violence, terror, gore, and other aspects which he uses to intimidate him into submission eventually. Leia and Han are unable to do anything about it because they don't understand the Force as much. Even with Luke he doesn't understand all of the powers of the Force and cannot help him.

 

He probably got to know Ben's weaknesses and then exploited them by telling him and showing him the things that reinforced Ben's sense of entitlement. his arrogance, and his fear of not measuring up to his heritage.

 

^Or fears. He can terrify him from an early age with visions of death, destruction, and harming him with anyone he knows.

 

It's tough to talk about how Snoke seduced Ben without wondering how they ever met in the first place. Palpatine worked on Anakin for years since he was a kid. It is tough thinking of Snoke as an 'old family friend' though I suppose he could have been a politician out of the New Republic. I shudder to think of Snoke as another Jedi trainee of Luke's. If I had to guess, Ben was an unhappy teenager looking for himself and Snoke scooped him up while he was at it.

 

I'm guessing that for one reason or another Ben was troubled and vulnerable and Snoke presented himself as somebody that could help him.

 

Ben was not right at the first place. Han and Leia is well known and powerful they had little time for him.
I bet Ben felt abandoned, and hated his mama and papa. Then he discovered how they hid his Vader relation from him, then he wanted to be like the Dark Lord.
Snoke approached Ben, offering training and he falls.

 

I definitely want a story, either animated, comic or novel, to explore how Ben first met Snoke, and what transpired. It'd be fascinating.

 

that's reasonable for cutting ties and running away to become a bounty hunter, not falling to the darkside and killing your dad, regardless of how seductive(ew) snoke was

vader had significant and harrowing things happen to him that made him afraid + outside forces feeding that fear, and anakin wasn't pure good to begin with.

something must have happened to make kylo really desperate. i say that because he's han&leia's kid, and they're probably not going to give him a dooku level backstory. but i can see why it's difficult to imagine kylo experiencing something so traumatizing, seeing as he had a nice safe upbringing.


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I believe it's been confirmed that Ben learned his lineage through a political scandal meant to hurt Leia's image in the New Republic. But I'm almost certain Snoke is the one who orchestrated the exposé.

I cant really go for him having absent parents, because Luke should act like a father figure to Ben(especially if he has no child on his own). Perhaps Luke's teachings dibbled and dabbled a bit or he didnt see the new Jedi Order as being effective in establishing Order. Snoke showed him a level of control and he went for it.

It's still kinda hard to make sense of how quickly he slaughtered his own members or "friends".

 

And I don't believe Snoke spoke to him as Vader's ghost. Dark siders don't believe in maintaining your identity after death so it wouldn't convince Kylo. He probably, like Rey, touched a possesion of Anakin/Vader and interpreted his own meaning as to what the Force was saying to him(with a little help from Snoke's "opinion" of course).

 

Is it not in one of the new EU books that Leia has trouble contacting Luke and Ben because they are off on a mission somewhere? My guess is that the mission was to discover who was behind the rise of the First Order. Luke and Ben march into Snoke's HQ, Snoke tells Ben a few lies (your Uncle killed your grandfather), shows him what he could have had if Vader had lived (massed ranks of Stormtroopers) and Ben decides to stay. At this stage Snoke probably lets Luke walk out, Ben would not be fully turned and the time to try to kill the last Jedi would not be right.