ST How does the Holdo Maneuver not break Star Wars?

Ramming something at lightspeed has, has always had and will always have disastrous consequences. That's nothing new. TLJ didn't add it to Star Wars canon, it's been there since ANH. Plus, it's self-explanatory. Of course it will deal a huge amount of damage.
Furthermore, it's obviously not a reliable attack method, since we hadn't seen it before TLJ (Finn even says outright in TROS that it's one in a million). This was an act of desperation and that's clearly indicated by the film. Anyone telling themselves that Holdo planned this from the start just has it in for the movie.

Star Wars continuity remains intact.

 

Only within information provided by TROS, not TLJ, does the continuity remain intact, in concept. TLJ had no regard for the meaning of this or the impact, as far as it presented. Hux reacts to it, and that itself suggests that it's more easily possible than TROS suggests, because otherwise Hux would have no perception on what Holdo was doing. He'd stay with his first assumption, that she's trying to divert their attention. Holdo would essentially be operating on the perception that her maneuver would be far more likely to not achieve anything. But, again, the idea of it being one in a million, isn't an argument presented by TLJ at all. I'd argue the contrary is suggested.

 

Wasnt there a shot in rogue one of a star destroyer coming out of lightspeed and destroying several ships as it stopped? That stands out to me as abit tricky also.

 

What's suggested is that they know a lightspeed attack WILL cause damage - which, again, is self-explanatory. The fact that it's rarely used suggests that the magnitude of that damage can't be predicted. Holdo might have destroyed the Resistance ships along with the First Order fleet for all she knew, but if she hadn't done what she did, they would've been dead anyway. Again, it was a desperate move, but it was their only chance.

 

It comes out, and after it does, if we're speaking on the same thing, things crash into it after it appears. God is funny! I just saw a video about this recently!

But nothing presented in the situation would lead Hux to change his mind of her diverting their attention that he said before. Again, this is outside movie perception, with information I'd suggest not really presented in the movie itself. The idea of it being one in a million is still only introduced by TROS, not TLJ.

 

Honestly, I don't know what you just said in that first sentence.
As for your last sentence, everything I said is suggested by TLJ. Which, however, is irrelevant, because canon is canon, regardless of how much info one single movie dumps on us. The so-called Holdo maneuver doesn't break it. That's the simple reality of it.

 

I'm not discussing the canon overall after the movie (anything can come afterward by another writer, it won't change the writing quality or lack of, of the thing before it, all by itself, especially if they weren't planning on it happening), but the choice of the writer in regards to the canon at the time he wrote it. It doesn't matter, to me, if JJ's movie added that one in a million thing, because RJ, as far as we know, didn't know that would happen and didn't plan or add that to happen in the movie. This is about the individual film TLJ and how it works within the story it's telling using the events that came before it and whether or not it makes sense with that.

What you said isn't suggested by TLJ, because, otherwise, Hux would have no reason to have any reaction to it before it's about to happen. His first reaction is that the cruiser is trying to divert their attention and to focus on the escape pods. Nothing says or shows that it's a super rare thing to be able to do in TLJ. If it's super rare for Holdo to be able to do what she did, he has little reason to freak when it's about to happen, because he'd have little reason or way to know what it is. That's what I was saying in the first sentence in the reply to you.

 

The topic of this thread is the Holdo maneuver, not the writing of TLJ.

They realize too late that she's charging up the hyperdrive. That's why Hux freaks out. Because if she jumps to lightspeed through their ships, that's obviously bad news for them.
But I've already said this. I'm not interested in reiterating my point again, so I'm jumping off this merry-go-round.

 

The Holdo maneuver and the issues with it, I'd suggest, is connected to the writing of TLJ.

I think this is an assumption on what they realize and why. My overall point wasn't about the idea that flying through a ship a hyperspeed wouldn't do damage. My point was that this doesn't equal that it's a thing that Hux would assume someone would do, if it was so rare. And that this movie never develops this as a rare thing.

 

Why do you insist on quoting me? My posts are right above yours.

The Holdo maneuver is connected to Star Wars canon as a whole and that's what this thread is about.
The issues you claim are there don't exist.

As for Hux, he isn't assuming anything. They literally see her turning the ship toward them and activating the hyperdrive. Watch the scene, listen to the dialogue. It's right there.

Lastly, the film doesn't need to develop it as anything for the canon to hold up. To that end, all it needs to do is follow the laws of physics in the GFFA. Which it does.
That's why the writing of TLJ is irrelevant to this discussion.

 

I just do.

The canon is connected to the writing. How it's written is connected to whether or not it breaks canon, I'd suggest. How it's written in regards to the canon that existed prior to the movie, I'd argue is up for discussion by that angle.
You haven't proven that it didn't cause problems for the canon.

My point was that it doesn't automatically equal the perception you suggest. You're presenting an assumption that this was the entire intention, as far as I read here.

I'd suggest to hold legit to canon, it does work best to develop things in order to explain why this effective means of doing something has never been used before, by the empire or the heroic characters, in the movie.

 

You're the one using a line from TRoS to defend TLJ's deus ex machina writing, since that movie tried a little bit to clean up the mess TLJ left behind, not that that excuses TLJ for screwing up the trilogy's plot lines (such as Kylo being a pretty pathetic big bad) and in-universe rules in the first place.

Ha, you think canon matters in the face of haphazard writing.

And you're sure using the word "suggest" a lot as TLJ was light on details (and intelligent characters), and instead you're trying to fill in the gaps yourself.

Its pretty clear how TLJ disdainful of traditional Star Wars (such as how it ruins Luke and a long, long list of other character problems), so ignoring the rules is part of its larger trend of mockery. Hux was caught by surprise, but then this is the same Hux that TLJ dumbed down, so that's not really saying much. The First Order didn't even think they should scan for any escaping ships when the cruiser got close to a planet then suddenly turned away, not until a certain someone told them to. Yet this is the same organization that has conquered the galaxy in less than a week (as the opening crawl says). Pretty bizarre, but then TLJ's preference for flash over substance is one of the few consistent things about that film.

 

Wow. That’s really on the mark. So your saying looked at that way the Holdi Manuecer is much more in keeping with the spirit of established Star Wars than say Han Solo leaving a hanger at light speed. Han Solo exiting light speed in the atmosphere of a planet. Cassian jumping to light speed out of the atmosphere of a planet without marking full calculations. Jumping to light speed through ice caber walls. Hyperspace skipping.

interesting.

 

I do agree that it makes more sense then some of those other scenes. The rules as explained and/or demonstrated in the movies are that you need to leave the planets atmosphere and that objects in hyperspace can collide with matter in space so you need precise calculations if you don’t want to die in a collision.

So I’d say that Han Solo leaving the hangar at lightspeed may be possible as long as there’s no obstructions. But it’s not consistent with the caution employed in the originals when jumping.

The exiting light speed in the atmosphere of a planet should have killed him. And it’s ridiculous that he controlled the lever by hand.

Cassian entering lightspeed on Jedha is also borderline. I think it’s unnecessary to make them cut it so close just for excitement.

The Rise of Skywalker seems disdainful of having consistency. The authors didn’t think about the rules themselves. They reacted to the common criticisms of the Holdo Maneuever by having a character say that it was “one in a million” shot. Which i think is a ridiculous statement, it wasn’t exactly difficult to hit a target as big as Snoke’s mothership. So why would it be inconsistent?

Hyperspace skipping is the invention of a very bitter JJ Abrams I guess

 

What’s the deal with the first order Star destroy over endor seen split in town down the middle? Is it a 2 in a million shot?

 

Literally

(Never tell ewoks the odds)

 

I believe people quote others because that alerts the quoted person to the fact that they've been responded to. With so many threads, forums and posters on these boards, that seems like a prudent thing to do.

 

Maybe I'm weird, but I usually go back to threads I've posted in to see if someone has responded. Excessive quoting just makes a mess of things. In my view. It irks me.
But that's just me. And it's not the main topic of discussion, so I'll just leave that there.

No. I'm not defending anything because there's nothing to defend. The maneuver lines up with the laws of physics in the GFFA as we know them.
All the line in TROS does is confirm that it's very unreliable.

@godisawesome: I'm not giving Rian credit for explaining anything, really. All I do is use common sense. Holdo does what she does, so obviously it can be done. We never see anyone else do it in the Skywalker Saga, so it stands to reason that it's a highly unreliable - and, judging by the reaction of Hux and his staff, most definitely dangerous - attack method.
As far as I'm concerned, this is the only sensible take on it, all things considered.

Whether Johnson and/or Abrams treated this as well as they could/should have is something we could discuss forever, but that's not what I'm here for. I just came here to offer an answer to the question:

"How does the Holdo Maneuver not break Star Wars?"

And that's what I've done