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CT How long was Luke on Dagobah?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Vialco, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    With a 1000+ light year gap, it's quite possible that there might be multiple minor systems the Falcon has to pass through, and Fett has to make certain for himself that they're going all the way through, and don't plan on stopping.
     
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  2. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Me personally?

    I could go with either A or B (though i favor B since tracking beacons seem like fairly commonplace tech and it requires the least amount of additional assumptions - such as why the Falcon did'nt detact Slave 1*)

    I don't find C very likly becuse even if he was able to single that location out (which i find unlikly to begin with) he has no way of knowing that they don't have a fully functional drive and no way of knowing that they did'nt just drop out of hyperspace and alter course.

    Even if he's following them, either directly through hyperspace or with a beacon, he (or him and Vader, assuming he shot the ship with the beacon and then went right to Vader with the signal) still would have needed a little while to be able to tell were they were going with a reasonable degree of certianity (not super long though, becuse even if it took them as long as a day to get to Bespin you'd still need to factor in time for Vader to set up his trap - agian, nobody in the city's general populace seemed to know about the Imperials when the Falcon arrived, so he must have been careful moving them in)

    If i had to make assumptions, i'd say it took them about a day to get to Bespin, and that Fett tracked/followed them for a few hours before figuring out were he needed to go. That gives Vader time to get to Bespin, set up his trap and smuggle troops into the city and also fits with Lando's "they arrived right before you did" line

    *Slave 1 had a cloaking device in Legends, but i don't think this is the case in canon.

    =D=It's better then anything i could have made so quickly.

    It's worth noting, though, that without any outside information Vader would be accounting for much more in the way of possible destinations then he actually needed to - he did'nt know the ship was using a backup drive and, as far as he and the Imperials knew, it had jumped the day before, so as far as he knew, it could be anywhere at that point

    (Yoda says he won't teach Luke anything more that day during the time when the Falcon would have been chase by the Avenger (the scene is between them fleeing the cave and them being chased) and in the scene right before Vader deploys the fleet Luke is training once more - and since everyone in the galaxy seems to use the same mesurment of time, a day by Yoda's standerds would be the same as a day to the Falcon's clock.*)

    *I belive someone stated earlier that time moves slower on Degobah (or was that Ach-To?) but even then the X-wing dos'nt start sinking until the day after he goes into the cave, so even then it can't be moving that much slower or else the ship would have sunken "days" before from Luke preception (the bottom of the swamp is apparently mud, we see that from when he's cleaning Artoo after the latters swim, and that would'nt be able to support the weight of an X-wing for very long i would think - the fighter weighs ten metric tons according to Wookiepedia, though i don't know how accurte that is becuse its sourced to a junior novel i've never heard of, let alone read)
     
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  3. Vicarious Fan

    Vicarious Fan Jedi Master star 3

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    doubtful given how fast space is and they are in the outer rim of the galaxy. Clearly a professional BH like fett knows how to track someone so this really shouldn't be an issue
     
  4. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A correction of my earlier most, becuse i'm an idiot.

    It would'nt, actually, becuse Yoda was in all liklyhood counting a day by the standerds of Dagobah, not by whatever common timekeeping system the galaxy uses.

    The point still stands though, becuse unless a day on Dagobah is notably shorter then 24 hours its would have still been more or less that long between Yoda ending the training and Vader breaking up the fleet, given how the sequence events are presented to use in the film.
     
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  5. Doompup

    Doompup Jedi Knight star 1

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    In the Michael Parbot documentary, Mark Hamill says that he thinks that Han and Leia are traveling for about 3 weeks before getting to Cloud City. I don’t know where that number came from, if that was his idea, or something GL told him. It’s after the 3 minute mark. So, I guess Luke was on Dagobah for a comparable time? Travel time in SW is hard to gauge.
     
  6. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 10

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    I really don't see why people act like that is so crazy. ^
     
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  7. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    The answer to this question has a very large standard deviation. The method to reduce the standard deviation and gain something approaching confidence is to take in more data than you can imagine. (I don't know I can imagine quite a bit.) This is a rich question. It is so good a question that it is a princess of a question. Crucial inputs include not just what ESB says but what SW77, ROTJ, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS say about a broad swath of matters. Possibly Clone Wars up until October 2012. Two matters at front and center are hyperspace depiction, and Jedi pedagogy under normal circumstances. A thread to gain confidence (manageable standard deviation) in each of those crucial inputs would be large.

    Just as an example of the slippery torsion that can occur across the entire Lucas era output, consider the younglings in ROTS. If it requires 2 days to complete some substantial chunk of Jedi training, why, then, by the leverage of an iron bar literal interpretation across the fulcrum, those younglings will be Jedi Masters in... 2 days. We simply did not get to see those youngings graduate their 2 day Jedi training, you see, because of intervening events.

    Just on one aspect, a systematic approach might be to document hyperspace duration using time stamps for every single use of hyperspace in the entire Lucas corpus. Make reasonable estimates of how much time is being experienced in that duration while on board in hyperspace. To what degree are the characters relaxed and settled in? Get that data in tabular form where the quantities are immediately visible.

    Just as an example of how the quality or property 'relaxed and settled-in' can be approached, consider the decoy queen Amidala (Kiera Knightly) sitting in state in her Royal Naboo Cruiser. Panaka has a relaxed remark about R2. The scene only makes sense if decoy Amidala is hearing out her counselors' options and ruminating. Consider Anakin and Padme on a freighter in AOTC where they have an extended conversation about deep topics.

    These things need to be weighed, quantitatively and qualitatively, to form a wider view. It would be a long thread, and a Manhattan Project, to approach this princess of a question with any hope of satisfying the largest possible fraction of concerned consumers.
     
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  8. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Anouther point indicating travel longer then minates that just occured to me - the FO learns the location of D'Qar in TFA but in TLJ their just arriving at the tail end of the Resistance's evacutation, with enough time having passed for the Versios to board and destroy Hask's ship, Poe to modify his X-wing with the booster and plan an attack strategy based on the infomration Iden and Zey sent them, Leia to send out Black Squadron to look for allies and the Raddus and her escorts to arrive and begin the evacuation.
     
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  9. Panakas_Dawg

    Panakas_Dawg Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    No one ever really talks about Luke's advancement between ANH and ESB. He must be getting *some* Ghost-training from Kenobi. besides, Yoda had him running, jumping, levitating, meditating and everything the whole time. I'm sure Yoda felt the need to do a little fast-tracking.
     
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  10. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    As far as we know Luke's "training" prior to ESB consisted of deflecting blaster bolts for a bit in ANH, getting lightsaber training from an undercover Imperial commando, praticing with remotes in his spare time and reading what amounts to training manuels written by Obi-Wan. Kenobi himself seemingly had no direct involment after his death, though i suppose its possible the Force visions that led Luke to the Jedi Temple on Devaron were cuased by Kenobi.

    It's worth noting that even in the old canon where and how Luke learned anything prior to meeting Yoda has always been unclear; personally back in the day I always assumed that he recived training from one or more of the full-trained Jedi who we know were affiliated with the Rebellion (I.E Rahm Kota, Qu Rahn or Corwin Shelvay). In the new canon these peaple don't (as far as we know) exist, but there's still the slight possibily of him training under Cal Kestis, Cere Junda or even Ashoka (since we don't actually know when she managed to get off Malachor) for a time
     
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  11. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    I am fond of TESB's novelization. Luke's training is explored in good depth. I believe that novelization is better than people realize. It's not as good as the ANH novelization. But it's solid. I like little details, such as Palpatine's hologram hand passing through Vader, etc.
     
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