How many Imp Class Star Destroyers are there

I think that there are a maybe 1-2000 all over the galaxy. Lots where probably destroyed or captured by the NR of single worlds.


-Mulacki

 

Is 3 to five dozen per sectorfleet and "thousands of sectorfleets" no quote, that is given???

/ I'll still stick with the quote we've been given.
Fans can speculate all they want, but at the end of the day, the canon stands alone/

Canon, eh?

That means a few hundred-thousand ships for a total blockade of Naboo in TPM, millions of ships for the support of Coruscant on a daily basis and the equivalent of 2.1 Billion ISDs buildt in the time from ANH to RotJ.

Is this canon enough for you?

 

Canon consists of quotes. You haven't given me quotes. You've given me estimates.

Is 3 to five dozen per sectorfleet and "thousands of sectorfleets" no quote, that is given???

Tell me where it says "3 to five dozen per sectorfleet" and "thousands of sectorfleets". As in, give me a specific source where I can read that for myself.



That means a few hundred-thousand ships for a total blockade of Naboo in TPM, millions of ships for the support of Coruscant on a daily basis and the equivalent of 2.1 Billion ISDs buildt in the time from ANH to RotJ.

Is this canon enough for you?

No, it's not canon. That's a fan estimate, pulled from god-knows-where. SHOW me where I can read this for myself.

2.1 billion ISDs from ANH to RotJ? Provide a source. My source says "25,000".

 

Actually,going by true canon only,the Empire fell in a day,and there were only 27 Star Destroyers . All of them were destroyed at the battle of Endor.

 

"A Sector Group is the sum total of Naval strength which the Empire expects to commit to a normal sector [...]A Sector Group HQ always has a squadron under the personal command of the Moff. If the Moff is particulary competent or politically well connected, they can have many more squadrons at their disposal [...]A Sector Group can be expected to contain at least 2,400 ships, 24 of which are Star Destroyers, and another 1,600 combat starships. Thousands of Sector Groups are at the Emperor's command as he seeks to bring the galaxy firmly under his control." (Imperial Sourcebook, 110-111)

Note that a squadron has "14-60 ships on average" and can contain an Imperial or Victory-class Star Destroyers depending on the squadron type (heavy, battle, troop, bombard)(105)

The interesting thing is that "normal sector" is used so perhaps low priority and high priority sectors have less/more Star Destroyers than that of a normal sector. There could have been 25,000 ISDs and then a significant number of additional VSDs.

 

I think 25,000 is too low a number. I'd say there were at least 50,000. But that's just me.

 

Just remember,the more ISDs you give the Empire,the more incompetent they look. Especially if you consider the incompetence of the New Republic.

 

Regular means employed by the military include summing all the forces that can intervene in a given sector and not just those permanently defending that sector. When you add the numbers, it makes for a most impressive figure, but you would never be able to throw the numbers you boast in a single battle - and, let's face it, you reasonably couldn't even if you had those numbers, so it does not really harm.

A good modern example is the figures the Germans employed to give the impression that Normandy and the rest of the French Coast were very well defended, boasting fifty-five divisions where there was only enough manpower and material to actually form fifteen divisions, but men and material were counted three or four times because they were stationed so as to be ready to intervene on three or four different fronts (one at a time, of course...)

EDIT - Back on topic, the figures of 25,000 ISDs and still having "three to five dozens per sector fleet" as mentioned in WEG's Imperial sourcebook (non-canon stuff, that's granted, but still rather reliable) are quite realistic.
As for the number of sectors, given that the 1,000 worlds of the IR form 8 sectors (SotP) that means a rough 800 sectors, with an average of 30 ISDs present in the sector and easily another 30 ISDs able to join the fray fast enough from a nearby sector if a major threat showed up (and was detected by Intel).

 

/Canon consists of quotes. You haven't given me quotes. You've given me estimates. /

No, canon are the movies, novels to movies, radiadramas and so on. Therefore canon is what you hear and SEE onscreen. And going by this definition, NO source, NOT a single one, gives a number for the ISDs.

Is three to five dozen per sectorfleet and "thousands of sectorfleets" no quote, that is given??? Tell me where it says "3 to five dozen per sectorfleet" and "thousands of sectorfleets". As in, give me a specific source where I can read that for myself.

I said that already two times, Imperial Sourcebook. But i guess, if you haven´t read it the first two times, it is pointless to quote it a third time.

/That means a few hundred-thousand ships for a total blockade of Naboo in TPM, millions of ships for the support of Coruscant on a daily basis and the equivalent of 2.1 Billion ISDs buildt in the time from ANH to RotJ. Is this canon enough for you? No, it's not canon. That's a fan estimate, pulled from god-knows-where. SHOW me where I can read this for myself. 2.1 billion ISDs from ANH to RotJ? Provide a source. My source says "25,000". /

An estimate based on what we see ONSCREEN, and therefore CANON. You can do the maths yourself, if you take the radius of an earthsized planet plus an orbit for the ships to calculate the spharical surface the Tradefederation had to cover for a total blockade. As for DS II take take its volume when completed, divide it by two (since it was half-finished) and divide it with the volume of an ISD.

/Actually,going by true canon only,the Empire fell in a day,and there were only 27 Star Destroyers . All of them were destroyed at the battle of Endor/

Correct. In that case the empire supressed the entire galaxy (or at least a million worlds - ANH-Novel) for more than twenty years with less than thirty ships.

/Just remember,the more ISDs you give the Empire,the more incompetent they look. Especially if you consider the incompetence of the New Republic/

Incompetent? After Endor, it took fivteen years till the war was over, despite great amounts of warlordism and infighting among the imperial fractions. Zinji was only defeated in an Alliance with imperial forces, Thrawn reconquered a quater of the former empire and the reborn Palpatine the entire territory (DarkEmpire). The last two weren´t even taken out by the New Republic, but by their bodyguards (Rukh and Carnor Jax). And the only places were ISDs fall easily are the X-Wing-Novels.

Thats anything but incompetent.


BTW, 8 Sectors with a total number of 1,000 worlds would be 8,000 sectors for one million worlds.

 

Exactly, just noticed the mistake (never post too early in the morn'...)

EDIT - Makes an average 3 ISDs per sector, nowhere nearly as the three to five dozens quoted, but it's probably still possible to gather those three to five dozen ISDs in a six-hour time in case of major battle (Intel has to do its job properly of course)

 

An estimate based on what we see ONSCREEN, and therefore CANON. You can do the maths yourself, if you take the radius of an earthsized planet plus an orbit for the ships to calculate the spharical surface the Tradefederation had to cover for a total blockade.

What? What does the Trade Federation have to do with Star Destroyers? What does the size of a planet and blockade data have to do with Star Destroyers?
Beyond this, fan estimates mean NOTHING. No matter how much on-screen evidence you cite, so long as anyone can come up with a different number or something from the same on-screen evidence, then your numbers aren't canon. Your sources may be, but your conclusion is not.

And the only places were ISDs fall easily are the X-Wing-Novels.

...and the flightsim games. I personally have some 600 ISD kills to my credit.

Also, I checked the 'Behind the Magic' CD-ROM last night -- it actually has the quote, "From his rise to Emperor until his fall at Endor, Palpatine constructed 25,000 Imperial Star Destroyers" or something to that effect.

That kinda solves it. No matter how many non-canon estimates we come up with, we've now got 3 sources that all agree, the Emperor made 25k ISDs. It may sound like a small number, but oh well. We, as fans, get to deal with it.

 

It's not that small... Remember a single ISD is enough to conquer an entire planet...

 

Yup, there's that war that always erupts when someone quotes the 25K number, or the "Imperator" name

¤Night

 

::rolls his eyes:: "Imperator-class" Star Destroyers ::shudders:: One of the many reasons I avoid the Technical Commentaries like the plague. If I want information, I'll get it myself. If I want misinformation, I'll run to the Tech Commentaries.

Point remains, though; multiple recent canon sources state "25,000 Star Destroyers", and yes, it was in reference to ISDs (the Behind the Magic CD-ROM clears that up).